"...a third of India is at least vegetarian. Somehow they manage to get by." Yes; as vegetarians - not vegans. Note the parent post I was replying to, which su

"...a third of India is at least vegetarian. Somehow they manage to get by." Yes; as vegetarians - not vegans. Note the parent post I was replying to, which suggested veganism. Strawman, red herrings in olive oil, say what you will, but there are many people who aren't "natives" (reference to other comment by marricks) that might struggle to maintain a healthy vegan diet, especially if they aren't nextdoor to a Wholefoods. That is more my point - not to suggest that we should feast on steak 24/7 "because Natives!". You'll get no argument from me regarding the present state of the meat industry. Big Ag can be and too often is appalling. @marricks: Not one of the dozens of chickens on either friend's property (including the freely roaming ones no longer producing) have ever died of ovarian cancer. When I posed my questions, I was looking for answers - not irrelevant examples of extremes. The egg industry can be putrid. My friends' arrangement with chickens is certainly not. And I still struggle to see how they are scourging the Earth with their non vegan behavior, breeders or no breeders. Have we truly come to such extremes that owning a chicken and eating an egg is worse for the environment than the daily baubles of our throwaway, planned obsolescence society? Is our aim extreme, or practical? Is a vegan's Volvo better than my chicken, etc? When I do see, I'll accept it, but the question remains open. And again, I have much respect for veganism and vegetarianism. Sprats, scarecrows and fallacies aren't things I wish to use against either.