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> The reason that americans do not embrace these things is that, for the most part, the United States still has a very, very flat social hierarchy. No, its bec

by mhurron 10y ago

> The reason that americans do not embrace these things is that, for the most part, the United States still has a very, very flat social hierarchy. No, its because they bought the red scare and everything that was said about Socialism and then continued to parrot that bullshit since then, which then collided with the Protestant work ethic that poisoned peoples minds into equating work and pay with personal worth. Worker protection laws are something evil that only dirty commies spout to bring good, hard working Americans down. If you were a good, hard working American you wouldn't need protection.

rsync 10y ago
"No, its because they bought the red scare and everything that was said about Socialism and then continued to parrot that bullshit since then, which then collided with the Protestant work ethic that poisoned peoples minds into equating work and pay with personal worth." Yes, agreed - but that (the red scare) is just another symptom of the underlying still-evolving class system in the US. I don't disagree with what you're saying at all - I'm saying you should consider why those ideas resonated in the US while they did not resonate everywhere else. The standard conclusion among 21st century progressives "they do it because they're stupid" is inaccurate (and destructive).
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  Looking into the culture from afar, it does appear to be more than just the repercussions of 'red scare' tactics. The impression I get is that in some parts of the country there's a general distrust in government, alongside a trust in entrepreneurship. Neither of which seems stupid to me. I'd also say that government spending is an easier sell in metropolitan areas as public investments in cities make a bigger impact on quality of life. Public transport is a good example of this, if I was in a rural setting I wouldn't expect much in the way of public transport spending, but I'd expect it in a city. However, whilst it's healthy not to trust in government too much, the same is true of trusting big business to act in your interest. Government should act to keep companies in line with public interest. Whether that involves big government or not is debatable, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to have any one single company that had larger influence on the general population than the government does.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Looking into the culture from afar, it does appear to be more than just the repercussions of 'red scare' tactics. Then again, the US had one of the most progressive and vibrant worker rights and union movements in the world (fighting for child labor, the 8 hour week, women's work, immigrant rights, etc) -- until about the 2nd World War and the Red Scare.

by mhurron 10y ago

rsync 10y ago

"No, its because they bought the red scare and everything that was said about Socialism and then continued to parrot that bullshit since then, which then collided with the Protestant work ethic that poisoned peoples minds into equating work and pay with personal worth." Yes, agreed - but that (the red scare) is just another symptom of the underlying still-evolving class system in the US. I don't disagree with what you're saying at all - I'm saying you should consider why those ideas resonated in the US while they did not resonate everywhere else. The standard conclusion among 21st century progressives "they do it because they're stupid" is inaccurate (and destructive).

ZenoArrow 10y ago
Looking into the culture from afar, it does appear to be more than just the repercussions of 'red scare' tactics. The impression I get is that in some parts of the country there's a general distrust in government, alongside a trust in entrepreneurship. Neither of which seems stupid to me. I'd also say that government spending is an easier sell in metropolitan areas as public investments in cities make a bigger impact on quality of life. Public transport is a good example of this, if I was in a rural setting I wouldn't expect much in the way of public transport spending, but I'd expect it in a city. However, whilst it's healthy not to trust in government too much, the same is true of trusting big business to act in your interest. Government should act to keep companies in line with public interest. Whether that involves big government or not is debatable, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to have any one single company that had larger influence on the general population than the government does.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Looking into the culture from afar, it does appear to be more than just the repercussions of 'red scare' tactics. Then again, the US had one of the most progressive and vibrant worker rights and union movements in the world (fighting for child labor, the 8 hour week, women's work, immigrant rights, etc) -- until about the 2nd World War and the Red Scare.