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Considering that Swiss politics (especially immigration) makes Donald Trump's policies look downright liberal. I will pass. Switzerland is a tiny (population sm

Considering that Swiss politics (especially immigration) makes Donald Trump's policies look downright liberal. I will pass. Switzerland is a tiny (population smaller than NYC) paradise for those privileged to be born there (err scratch that "hold citizenship" Swiss actually don't believe in birthright citizenship) funded by tourism and tax-evasion. Sure they might have a great "work culture" but I would rather take chance on American dream and belief in hard work. If you actually read the most up voted comment the last time this was discussed, it says the same thing. """ "Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than alive in Switzerland. You could carve out multiple Switzerlands of the US if you broke it up and tightened immigration (as the Swiss are doing right now). """ Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9988048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9988048 If you were to carve out Silicon Valley to LA into a new country and with similar xenophobic immigration policies you will have a nation far far superior than any other on earth. Such comparisons are meaningless.

Findeton 10y ago
All the social benefits she describes are the norm all over the EU.
- sageikosa 10y ago
  like Greece, Portugal, Italy and Spain?
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - sbuk 10y ago
    Yes.
  - Findeton 10y ago
    Well, I live in Spain, so: yes.
leejo 10y ago
The popular initiative against mass immigration (2014) was essentially rejected by parliament recently: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/switzerland-u-turn-quotas-on-eu-workers-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/switzerland-u-... The SVP were furious, but hey that's how a coalition government works and that's a good thing. Compare that to a republican presidency, Senate, House? Hoho, good luck with that one.
- aub3bhat 10y ago
  If rejecting an effort to make an already extremely racist system even more racist somehow counts as an achievement in your opinion. Then there is no point in having a debate. Why don't you talk about lack of birthright citizenship even to children of permanent residents or that each individual has to be voted on by reidents of that canton to determine eligibility to become citizen. Switzerland is essentially a white wonderland (World War II implicit support of Nazi and looking the other way while Jews were being persecuted) it gets away from moral scrutiny by pretending about false neutrality and marketing its beautiful mountains.
  - faebi 10y ago
    Why is it racist? Can you give some facts?
    - aub3bhat 10y ago
      In 2007, the Swiss introduced a law meaning that all members of your local community would have to vote on your citizenship application before you could win a passport. Since they did so, Muslims, Jews, Balkans, Africans, and Asians have been disproportionately rejected. In 2008, a disabled man from Kosovo was rejected on the grounds that, a) he was disabled and this would cost his community money and b) he was a Muslim. In other words, the system works well. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/guide-to-european-racist-leagues https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/guide-to-european-racist-...

Findeton 10y ago

All the social benefits she describes are the norm all over the EU.

sageikosa 10y ago
like Greece, Portugal, Italy and Spain?
- deleted 10y ago
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- sbuk 10y ago
  Yes.
- Findeton 10y ago
  Well, I live in Spain, so: yes.

leejo 10y ago

The popular initiative against mass immigration (2014) was essentially rejected by parliament recently: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/switzerland-u-turn-quotas-on-eu-workers-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/switzerland-u-... The SVP were furious, but hey that's how a coalition government works and that's a good thing. Compare that to a republican presidency, Senate, House? Hoho, good luck with that one.

aub3bhat 10y ago
If rejecting an effort to make an already extremely racist system even more racist somehow counts as an achievement in your opinion. Then there is no point in having a debate. Why don't you talk about lack of birthright citizenship even to children of permanent residents or that each individual has to be voted on by reidents of that canton to determine eligibility to become citizen. Switzerland is essentially a white wonderland (World War II implicit support of Nazi and looking the other way while Jews were being persecuted) it gets away from moral scrutiny by pretending about false neutrality and marketing its beautiful mountains.
- faebi 10y ago
  Why is it racist? Can you give some facts?
  - aub3bhat 10y ago
    In 2007, the Swiss introduced a law meaning that all members of your local community would have to vote on your citizenship application before you could win a passport. Since they did so, Muslims, Jews, Balkans, Africans, and Asians have been disproportionately rejected. In 2008, a disabled man from Kosovo was rejected on the grounds that, a) he was disabled and this would cost his community money and b) he was a Muslim. In other words, the system works well. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/guide-to-european-racist-leagues https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/guide-to-european-racist-...