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Compare that to an F150 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=relat... Not at all what

Compare that to an F150 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=relat... Not at all what you'd expect. or is it?

jacquesm 16y ago
Hm, when living in Canada I had one exactly like that, it really bugs me how fragile that thing is. I always figured my biggest risk was a roll-over, now I'm thinking the biggest risk might have been hitting a tree. Incredible the deformation.
- zokier 16y ago
  Afaik deformation is good, as it absorbs energy instead of delivering it to the people inside
  - hugh3 16y ago
    Deformation of the front of the car is exactly what you want. Ideally everything in front of your feet should be crushed like crazy. But what you see in the Brilliance and the F-150 is that the passenger compartment itself starts deforming, increasing the chances that you're going to wind up with a jagged piece of door metal in your skull, or crushed between the roof and the floor. Nasty. After viewing the F-150 video I was tempted to say that standards must be different for trucks -- they're built differently and have a helluva lot more momentum to dissipate coming from the back. But then I looked at crash tests for the Chevy Silverado and Nissan Titan, and it looks like that F-150 is just a piece of junk because those other two hold up a lot better.
    - Elepsis 16y ago
      Let's keep in mind that we're comparing a 2001 car with much more recent ones. Here's a video of the 2008 F-150, where it holds up dramatically better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkAzt_0qIg&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkAzt_0qIg&NR=1 Progress is awesome.
      - jacquesm 16y ago
        Yes, that is quite a difference, it's like it's a completely new design from a passenger protection point of view.
      - logarithmic 16y ago
        Indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWaLPqrZI1E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWaLPqrZI1E
      - hugh3 16y ago
        Found in a related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ReZ0C_UF-8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ReZ0C_UF-8&feature=relat... This is why an F-150 is still a pretty good place to be in a real-world accident where you're more likely to hit another car rather than a thick concrete wall. Conservation of momentum says that when a big heavy thing meets a much smaller thing the big heavy thing comes off looking much better.
        harpastum 16y ago
        That's actually not exactly what's happening. The force on each of the cars is identical, but the major difference I see is that the F150 is actually much taller than the escort. The grill/engine of the truck hit the car above its center of gravity. All of the impact energy went into the truck's engine block, but into the passenger pillar in the car. That's why the car came off looking so much worse.
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    As long as there is some structural integrity to the passenger compartment, yes. In the ford video the driver is the deformation zone.
MikeCapone 16y ago
Does it say anywhere what year that F150 is?
- zach 16y ago
  After the impact, you can almost make out the year and model on the door. It does look a lot like it says "2001."

Compare that to an F150 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0araA0T_k&feature=relat... Not at all what you'd expect. or is it?

jacquesm 16y ago

Hm, when living in Canada I had one exactly like that, it really bugs me how fragile that thing is. I always figured my biggest risk was a roll-over, now I'm thinking the biggest risk might have been hitting a tree. Incredible the deformation.

zokier 16y ago
Afaik deformation is good, as it absorbs energy instead of delivering it to the people inside
- hugh3 16y ago
  Deformation of the front of the car is exactly what you want. Ideally everything in front of your feet should be crushed like crazy. But what you see in the Brilliance and the F-150 is that the passenger compartment itself starts deforming, increasing the chances that you're going to wind up with a jagged piece of door metal in your skull, or crushed between the roof and the floor. Nasty. After viewing the F-150 video I was tempted to say that standards must be different for trucks -- they're built differently and have a helluva lot more momentum to dissipate coming from the back. But then I looked at crash tests for the Chevy Silverado and Nissan Titan, and it looks like that F-150 is just a piece of junk because those other two hold up a lot better.
  - Elepsis 16y ago
    Let's keep in mind that we're comparing a 2001 car with much more recent ones. Here's a video of the 2008 F-150, where it holds up dramatically better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkAzt_0qIg&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkAzt_0qIg&NR=1 Progress is awesome.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      Yes, that is quite a difference, it's like it's a completely new design from a passenger protection point of view.
    - logarithmic 16y ago
      Indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWaLPqrZI1E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWaLPqrZI1E
    - hugh3 16y ago
      Found in a related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ReZ0C_UF-8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ReZ0C_UF-8&feature=relat... This is why an F-150 is still a pretty good place to be in a real-world accident where you're more likely to hit another car rather than a thick concrete wall. Conservation of momentum says that when a big heavy thing meets a much smaller thing the big heavy thing comes off looking much better.
      - harpastum 16y ago
        That's actually not exactly what's happening. The force on each of the cars is identical, but the major difference I see is that the F150 is actually much taller than the escort. The grill/engine of the truck hit the car above its center of gravity. All of the impact energy went into the truck's engine block, but into the passenger pillar in the car. That's why the car came off looking so much worse.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  As long as there is some structural integrity to the passenger compartment, yes. In the ford video the driver is the deformation zone.

MikeCapone 16y ago

Does it say anywhere what year that F150 is?

zach 16y ago
After the impact, you can almost make out the year and model on the door. It does look a lot like it says "2001."