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Then look at this case which cites it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim The indictment is h

by Natsu 10y ago

Then look at this case which cites it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim The indictment is here: https://fas.org/sgp/jud/kim/082411-order.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/jud/kim/082411-order.pdf "Kim had a reason to believe that this information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of a foreign nation" There was a TS picture of NK on there. Huma Abadeen had access to her device (someone who was born in the USA, but raised in Saudi Arabia) as evidenced by signatures on some emails "from" Hillary. And even if there wasn't that, they should have the ability to prosecute her for all of the false statements made during the investigation (which would be under a completely different statute). For all the worry about foreign powers influencing the USA, it's undeniable that she and Colin Powell schemed in such a way that jeopardized OPSEC. That will remain an issue as long as people can get away with it.

lern_too_spel 10y ago
> They should have the ability to prosecute her for all of the false statements made during the investigation (which would be under a completely different statute). What false statements did she make under oath during the investigation? Comey specifically said that they have no evidence that she lied to the FBI. http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-not-lie-fbi-225212 http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/... > There was a TS picture of NK on there. Huma Abadeen [sic] had access to her device (someone who was born in the USA, but raised in Saudi Arabia) as evidenced by signatures on some emails "from" Hillary. Why mention that she was raised in Saudi Arabia? She is a US citizen who obtained security clearance in 2009, during which the FBI would have thoroughly checked her background. Before you go even further off the reservation, she doesn't have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood either. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/25/does-huma-abedin-have-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/... Let's look at the Kim case because the indictment so clearly draws out the difference with the Clinton case. From the indictment: "The indictment charges that Kim had a reason to believe that this information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of a foreign nation and that Kim knowingly and willfully communicated, delivered or transmitted that information to a reporter for a national news organization, who was not entitled to receive that information." It continues: "Count Two of the indictment charges that on or about September 24, 2009, Kim denied to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that he had had any contact with a named reporter for a national news organization since meeting the reporter in or about March 2009. The indictment alleges that Kim actually had repeated contact with the reporter in the months following the March 2009 meeting. The indictment charges that Kim knowingly and willfully made a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation to the FBI in violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)." Kim knew that giving the national security information to a reporter would get that information seen by a foreign nation to its benefit (violation of the Espionage Act). Then he lied about it to the FBI (violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)). Clinton did neither.
- Natsu 10y ago
  Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ > Why mention that she was raised in Saudi Arabia? Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. I haven't claimed anything regarding the Muslim Brotherhood, nor was I aware it had been claimed regarding her. > Kim knew that giving the national security information to a reporter would get that information seen by a foreign nation to its benefit (violation of the Espionage Act). Then he lied about it to the FBI (violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)). Clinton did neither. That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her press guys and none of these people who accessed this were cleared for TS information other than Hillary herself. Huma was found emailing Wiener from Hillary's device in at least one case (probably how his laptop got roped into that). Incidentally, here's the warrant for Wiener's laptop (which mentions all the TS info on this uncleared server, among other things): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NKixAl7kHoVmp5MkFfTEgwc2s/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NKixAl7kHoVmp5MkFfTEgwc2s... And here's the email where they discuss the NK photo they were worried about: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10587 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10587
  - lern_too_spel 10y ago
    > Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: Again, none of those statements were made to the investigators or under oath. > Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. Again, that is the FBI's job to determine when doing the security clearance background check. > That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her press guys and none of these people who accessed this were cleared for TS information other than Hillary herself. What North Korean photo are we talking about? This is the first time you've mentioned it. I suspect you are talking about http://www.wptv.com/news/political/clinton-email-on-north-korea-deemed-secret-not-top-secret http://www.wptv.com/news/political/clinton-email-on-north-ko..., which was neither Top Secret nor sent to a news reporter. If it wasn't sent to a news reporter, why do you think this email is anything at all like Kim's case?

by Natsu 10y ago

lern_too_spel 10y ago

> They should have the ability to prosecute her for all of the false statements made during the investigation (which would be under a completely different statute). What false statements did she make under oath during the investigation? Comey specifically said that they have no evidence that she lied to the FBI. http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-not-lie-fbi-225212 http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/... > There was a TS picture of NK on there. Huma Abadeen [sic] had access to her device (someone who was born in the USA, but raised in Saudi Arabia) as evidenced by signatures on some emails "from" Hillary. Why mention that she was raised in Saudi Arabia? She is a US citizen who obtained security clearance in 2009, during which the FBI would have thoroughly checked her background. Before you go even further off the reservation, she doesn't have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood either. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/25/does-huma-abedin-have-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/... Let's look at the Kim case because the indictment so clearly draws out the difference with the Clinton case. From the indictment: "The indictment charges that Kim had a reason to believe that this information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of a foreign nation and that Kim knowingly and willfully communicated, delivered or transmitted that information to a reporter for a national news organization, who was not entitled to receive that information." It continues: "Count Two of the indictment charges that on or about September 24, 2009, Kim denied to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that he had had any contact with a named reporter for a national news organization since meeting the reporter in or about March 2009. The indictment alleges that Kim actually had repeated contact with the reporter in the months following the March 2009 meeting. The indictment charges that Kim knowingly and willfully made a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation to the FBI in violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)." Kim knew that giving the national security information to a reporter would get that information seen by a foreign nation to its benefit (violation of the Espionage Act). Then he lied about it to the FBI (violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)). Clinton did neither.

Natsu 10y ago
Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ > Why mention that she was raised in Saudi Arabia? Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. I haven't claimed anything regarding the Muslim Brotherhood, nor was I aware it had been claimed regarding her. > Kim knew that giving the national security information to a reporter would get that information seen by a foreign nation to its benefit (violation of the Espionage Act). Then he lied about it to the FBI (violation of I8 U.S.C. § IOOI(a)(2)). Clinton did neither. That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her press guys and none of these people who accessed this were cleared for TS information other than Hillary herself. Huma was found emailing Wiener from Hillary's device in at least one case (probably how his laptop got roped into that). Incidentally, here's the warrant for Wiener's laptop (which mentions all the TS info on this uncleared server, among other things): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NKixAl7kHoVmp5MkFfTEgwc2s/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NKixAl7kHoVmp5MkFfTEgwc2s... And here's the email where they discuss the NK photo they were worried about: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10587 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10587
- lern_too_spel 10y ago
  > Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: Again, none of those statements were made to the investigators or under oath. > Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. Again, that is the FBI's job to determine when doing the security clearance background check. > That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her press guys and none of these people who accessed this were cleared for TS information other than Hillary herself. What North Korean photo are we talking about? This is the first time you've mentioned it. I suspect you are talking about http://www.wptv.com/news/political/clinton-email-on-north-korea-deemed-secret-not-top-secret http://www.wptv.com/news/political/clinton-email-on-north-ko..., which was neither Top Secret nor sent to a news reporter. If it wasn't sent to a news reporter, why do you think this email is anything at all like Kim's case?