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Also "we'll update 1000 cars first, see if it works, and then update the rest of the fleet"... Uhm yeah.. So 1000 happy Tesla owners are going to beta test it u

by jafingi 10y ago

Also "we'll update 1000 cars first, see if it works, and then update the rest of the fleet"... Uhm yeah.. So 1000 happy Tesla owners are going to beta test it until the rest gets it. Good luck.

achamayou 10y ago
1000 _willing_ owners, one presumes.
- scarlac 10y ago
  The autopilot functionality is an opt-in beta with several warnings and a price sticker. I think that's as much "willingly" as you can get.
  - achamayou 10y ago
    That's what I was trying to point out.
- adrianN 10y ago
  Did they also ask all the other people on the road who might be involved in crashes?
  - asendra 10y ago
    So much this.
  - Daviey 10y ago
    Have you tried the autopilot? If you haven't.. you really need to. It isn't as scary as you might think. It is essentially cruise control for the steering wheel. If you move the steering wheel just a few millimetres, it disengages. The driver still has complete control, authority and responsibility. There is really no reason to assume there will be more crashes.
    - adrianN 10y ago
      I think the problem with these assistance systems currently is that they lull the driver into a false sense of security and increase reaction times for situation that can't be handled by the computer. So even if they work as advertised, I'm not convinced that they are at least as safe as having a human at wheel constantly. That being said, I'm somewhat wary of running "beta" software on cars. I'd expect a complicated and costly validation step with some independent government body before modifications to these systems are allowed to go live. I don't know whether Tesla does this or not.
      - Daviey 10y ago
        Whilst I only have empirical evidence to go on, I will say that when I have used autopilot.. I've felt like I am paying more attention as I am not distracted with keeping the car placed central in the lane and following the slight curves in the road. This means that more attention can be focused on situational awareness, of what is happening ON the road.
        wlesieutre 10y ago
        Even on planes, we've had problems with people being too reliant on autopilot. http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/children-of-the-magenta-automation-paradox-pt-1/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/children-of-the-magent... With self driving cars where we're relying on the car for moment-to-moment instantaneous reactions, I think it's very unlikely that human drivers will be able to pick up the slack in a system failure. If you're expecting the car to stop it self and it doesn't, you have what, a quarter second to jump in manually? The recent video of a self driving uber going through a red light is probably a similar scenario. Even though uber insists it's a "driver assistance technology" and not a self driving car, the driver expected the car to stop itself, so they didn't bother applying the brakes. And that one was at low speeds, maybe 10 mph. The saving grace here is that they're competing against human drivers. The technology doesn't have to be perfect, just better than us. But relying on human oversight to maintain 100% perfect attention for a six hour journey of doing literally nothing but watching a car drive itself in case you need to step in? I think that's a non-starter. For these to work, the car has to be able to manage on its own.

by jafingi 10y ago

Also "we'll update 1000 cars first, see if it works, and then update the rest of the fleet"... Uhm yeah.. So 1000 happy Tesla owners are going to beta test it until the rest gets it. Good luck.

achamayou 10y ago

1000 _willing_ owners, one presumes.

scarlac 10y ago
The autopilot functionality is an opt-in beta with several warnings and a price sticker. I think that's as much "willingly" as you can get.
- achamayou 10y ago
  That's what I was trying to point out.
adrianN 10y ago
Did they also ask all the other people on the road who might be involved in crashes?
- asendra 10y ago
  So much this.
- Daviey 10y ago
  Have you tried the autopilot? If you haven't.. you really need to. It isn't as scary as you might think. It is essentially cruise control for the steering wheel. If you move the steering wheel just a few millimetres, it disengages. The driver still has complete control, authority and responsibility. There is really no reason to assume there will be more crashes.
  - adrianN 10y ago
    I think the problem with these assistance systems currently is that they lull the driver into a false sense of security and increase reaction times for situation that can't be handled by the computer. So even if they work as advertised, I'm not convinced that they are at least as safe as having a human at wheel constantly. That being said, I'm somewhat wary of running "beta" software on cars. I'd expect a complicated and costly validation step with some independent government body before modifications to these systems are allowed to go live. I don't know whether Tesla does this or not.
    - Daviey 10y ago
      Whilst I only have empirical evidence to go on, I will say that when I have used autopilot.. I've felt like I am paying more attention as I am not distracted with keeping the car placed central in the lane and following the slight curves in the road. This means that more attention can be focused on situational awareness, of what is happening ON the road.
      - wlesieutre 10y ago
        Even on planes, we've had problems with people being too reliant on autopilot. http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/children-of-the-magenta-automation-paradox-pt-1/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/children-of-the-magent... With self driving cars where we're relying on the car for moment-to-moment instantaneous reactions, I think it's very unlikely that human drivers will be able to pick up the slack in a system failure. If you're expecting the car to stop it self and it doesn't, you have what, a quarter second to jump in manually? The recent video of a self driving uber going through a red light is probably a similar scenario. Even though uber insists it's a "driver assistance technology" and not a self driving car, the driver expected the car to stop itself, so they didn't bother applying the brakes. And that one was at low speeds, maybe 10 mph. The saving grace here is that they're competing against human drivers. The technology doesn't have to be perfect, just better than us. But relying on human oversight to maintain 100% perfect attention for a six hour journey of doing literally nothing but watching a car drive itself in case you need to step in? I think that's a non-starter. For these to work, the car has to be able to manage on its own.