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> The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. Which is not supported by any claims, except wild Russian propaganda. > NATO pushing for Uk

> The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. Which is not supported by any claims, except wild Russian propaganda. > NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member Same. > Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries Russia (as is) didn't exist _for centuries_. > to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of the Ukraine as part of Russia That's wrong on so many levels... > Crimea voted to rejoin Russia Sure. _After_ Russia invaded Crimea they've held highly falsified voting which wasn't recognized by any international officials. All in all, your information tend to be highly skewed to Kremlin propaganda.

gspetr 10y ago
Do you seriously doubt that <50% of Crimean population would have voted to join Russia? If the population is hostile to the supposed aggressor there's usually guerrilla warfare that starts almost immediately after the invasion. History has no shortage of examples of this. Yet there's an absence of this in Crimea.
- PerfectDlite 10y ago
  Absence? So why Russia started to exile, suppress and kill Crimean Tatars then?
  - gspetr 10y ago
    Because they refused to acknowledge the referendum and threatened violence?
    - PerfectDlite 10y ago
      So there _is_ a resistance movement in Crimea.
ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
1) Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. 2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nato-expansion-ukraine-and-georgia-want-in-a-544176.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nat... http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker-ukraine-nato-expansion-20140304 http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker... http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-natos-expansion-parade-adding-georgia-finland-and-more-would-make-america-less-secure/#22a3a6824d6f http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-... 3)>"Gifted" because Khrushchev's transfer was ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. And he probably didn't think the Soviet Union would be gone less than 40 years later. http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/c... 4) 2/3 of Crimeans are ethnically Russian, and Russians have been the predominant people in Crimea for 100 years
- PerfectDlite 10y ago
  > Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. And you've failed to produce any sources for those _many_ claims? Color me suprprised.
  - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
    Oh you're a fucking moron who can't read a thread. Listen to the hacked Nuland-Pyatt call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k Ron Paul: U.S. State Dept. Conspired To Overthrow Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwPy8ogGXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwPy8ogGXc Ukraine’s Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshenko-says-overthrow-of-yanukovych-was-a-coup.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshe...

gspetr 10y ago

Do you seriously doubt that <50% of Crimean population would have voted to join Russia? If the population is hostile to the supposed aggressor there's usually guerrilla warfare that starts almost immediately after the invasion. History has no shortage of examples of this. Yet there's an absence of this in Crimea.

PerfectDlite 10y ago
Absence? So why Russia started to exile, suppress and kill Crimean Tatars then?
- gspetr 10y ago
  Because they refused to acknowledge the referendum and threatened violence?
  - PerfectDlite 10y ago
    So there _is_ a resistance movement in Crimea.

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago

1) Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. 2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nato-expansion-ukraine-and-georgia-want-in-a-544176.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nat... http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker-ukraine-nato-expansion-20140304 http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker... http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-natos-expansion-parade-adding-georgia-finland-and-more-would-make-america-less-secure/#22a3a6824d6f http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-... 3)>"Gifted" because Khrushchev's transfer was ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. And he probably didn't think the Soviet Union would be gone less than 40 years later. http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/c... 4) 2/3 of Crimeans are ethnically Russian, and Russians have been the predominant people in Crimea for 100 years

PerfectDlite 10y ago
> Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. And you've failed to produce any sources for those _many_ claims? Color me suprprised.
- ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
  Oh you're a fucking moron who can't read a thread. Listen to the hacked Nuland-Pyatt call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k Ron Paul: U.S. State Dept. Conspired To Overthrow Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwPy8ogGXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwPy8ogGXc Ukraine’s Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshenko-says-overthrow-of-yanukovych-was-a-coup.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshe...