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And it's also how you end up with weekends, benefits, worker protection, full-time employment and reasonable wages.

by wfo 10y ago

Flammy 10y ago
I think the point is more limited the voting body causes unequal membership. Basic worker benefits and protection can happen regardless of the number of voting members...
- bogomipz 10y ago
  That's how I inferred the OPs comment as well. Shouldn't a union that represents the majority of its workers also be majority vote?
  - pm24601 10y ago
    No -- the people most affected by the decisions should have the greater voice. If a driver drives once: 1. they have less knowledge about working conditions 2. the trip was more of a fling with being an Uber driver and not a source of income. 3. It is easier for Uber or Lyft to stack the deck with drivers who are less informed on the issues
    - charleslmunger 10y ago
      On the other hand, a union that's run by people depending on uber as a full time source of income has a significant interest in reducing the number of people driving for a "fling" or part time - more surge pricing, more guarantee minimum income from uber, less risk of low ratings leading to punitive action, since uber can't just replace them easily. My point is that while unions benefit some workers, they don't benefit all workers. It's not a black and white situation.
chronic0d 10y ago
> And it's also how you end up with weekends, benefits, worker protection, full-time employment and reasonable wages. This will only apply to the top 10% of Union workers. The workers who came late (or the majority of Uber drivers) will receive less pay, have less power, work longer hours, and fewer benefits than the "senior" drivers. Do you really think unions will help everyone? They, just like everything else in this world, are designed to benefit the top.
- donarb 10y ago
  Contrary to mistaken public opinion, union members are paid commensurate with their skills and seniority. It's foolish to require a company to pay all employees the same regardless of ability and unions make allowances for that in negotiations.
  - charleslmunger 10y ago
    Can you give some examples of this? I'm most familiar with California's public employee unions, which are admittedly an extreme sample, but nearly every attempt to do performance measurement is fought tooth and nail.

And it's also how you end up with weekends, benefits, worker protection, full-time employment and reasonable wages.

by wfo 10y ago

And it's also how you end up with weekends, benefits, worker protection, full-time employment and reasonable wages.

I think the point is more limited the voting body causes unequal membership. Basic worker benefits and protection can happen regardless of the number of voting members...

bogomipz 10y ago
That's how I inferred the OPs comment as well. Shouldn't a union that represents the majority of its workers also be majority vote?
- pm24601 10y ago
  No -- the people most affected by the decisions should have the greater voice. If a driver drives once: 1. they have less knowledge about working conditions 2. the trip was more of a fling with being an Uber driver and not a source of income. 3. It is easier for Uber or Lyft to stack the deck with drivers who are less informed on the issues
  - charleslmunger 10y ago
    On the other hand, a union that's run by people depending on uber as a full time source of income has a significant interest in reducing the number of people driving for a "fling" or part time - more surge pricing, more guarantee minimum income from uber, less risk of low ratings leading to punitive action, since uber can't just replace them easily. My point is that while unions benefit some workers, they don't benefit all workers. It's not a black and white situation.

chronic0d 10y ago

> And it's also how you end up with weekends, benefits, worker protection, full-time employment and reasonable wages. This will only apply to the top 10% of Union workers. The workers who came late (or the majority of Uber drivers) will receive less pay, have less power, work longer hours, and fewer benefits than the "senior" drivers. Do you really think unions will help everyone? They, just like everything else in this world, are designed to benefit the top.

donarb 10y ago
Contrary to mistaken public opinion, union members are paid commensurate with their skills and seniority. It's foolish to require a company to pay all employees the same regardless of ability and unions make allowances for that in negotiations.
- charleslmunger 10y ago
  Can you give some examples of this? I'm most familiar with California's public employee unions, which are admittedly an extreme sample, but nearly every attempt to do performance measurement is fought tooth and nail.