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Yea let's get an open alternative, a few years of coding, a few years of Facebook screwing up, a massive hatefest, and it will have 30% penetration in 2018. By

by Detrus 16y ago

Yea let's get an open alternative, a few years of coding, a few years of Facebook screwing up, a massive hatefest, and it will have 30% penetration in 2018. By then there will be new technologies that will make the issue irrelevant. Same as Linux and Firefox. By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete. Google's Chrome OS throws much of linux away. NativeClient sandboxing turns browsers and plugins into frameworks of choice, like jQuery. There has to be a more efficient way.

sandee 16y ago
> Same as Linux ... By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete Care to explain, how all the effort in Linux was obsolute ? (And i am on Ubuntu Linux typing this reply)
- derefr 16y ago
  I think he meant "most of the effort that went into a good userland GUI experience, from FreeDesktop et al" is wasted when your display is 100% filled by an HTML frame, ala ChromeOS. The Linux kernel is certainly not a waste.
  - davidw 16y ago
    It's a bit facile to compare something that works and has a few flaws, but is used by a great deal of people, with something that still isn't out of beta and isn't really used by anyone.
    - Detrus 16y ago
      You mean desktop linux vs the web? Or even Linux vs iPhone OS?
      - davidw 16y ago
        No, I mean that apples are far superior to potatoes.
  - Detrus 16y ago
    Yes Ubuntu isn't going anywhere. App developers want one and only one OS and Ubuntu doesn't make life easier by being free. As far as new technologies, I imagine internet protocols and bandwidth in 2018 will make it possible to share massive databases of information. New parallel chips will enable anyone to analyze massive databases of information, a whole economy of data sharing could emerge. New possibilities in online education, government, healthcare will all depend on the availability of currently private data. By 2030 we will be living in "The Matrix" where AIs will learn from us by monitoring every single thought we have. It's an important perspective. Facebook is just a tiny step, just like Windows was. They don't need to be perfect. Most importantly they should not be imitated or duplicated with a "free and uber-private" label. They need to be rethought with the long term perspective in mind. What's the point of privacy? Do people care about distant data miners going through their lives or do they just want to avoid being fired or ridiculed by those close to them? And if some data miners gain magic knowledge on how to manipulate the masses, don't get paranoid. It's likely government will be redesigned around the new technology by then.
mahmud 16y ago
FWIW, I have written a facebook clone in Common Lisp and took me 2 months. It has profile pages, a platform for 3rd party apps, elaborate RBAC-based security, and a rudimentary service API. If anybody wants to take this in some direction, I am more than happy to come aboard.
- GeneralMaximus 16y ago
  Why don't you slap it on a cheap VPS and start an invite-only beta for prospective buyers? You might even make some decent money off it :)
- deleted 16y ago
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- jacquesm 16y ago
  Need hosting?
- darko 16y ago
  is there anyway we can take a look at it?
  - mahmud 16y ago
    Anybody who sent me an email gets a preview after I clean it up in a week.
- ay 16y ago
  Does it allow the export of the data out ? Any service implemented with the intent "to be good", needs a built-in parachute for the users to use when it "becomes evil".
anatta 16y ago
Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete yet Chrome OS (which your offer will transcend "obsolete" Linux development) still depends on Linux as does a huge portion of the web. Human progress is largely evolutionary and incremental. We stand on all that came before us. Facebook brought a new concept of interaction that has a downside many people are against. They address this by creating an alternative, and so goes history. Progress is a dialog.
- est 16y ago
  > Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete reminds me of OS X and BSD, Webkit and KHTML.
nkassis 16y ago
Yes because only 30% of computer uses something other than Windows right? Most computers aren't on peoples desks.

by Detrus 16y ago

sandee 16y ago

> Same as Linux ... By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete Care to explain, how all the effort in Linux was obsolute ? (And i am on Ubuntu Linux typing this reply)

derefr 16y ago
I think he meant "most of the effort that went into a good userland GUI experience, from FreeDesktop et al" is wasted when your display is 100% filled by an HTML frame, ala ChromeOS. The Linux kernel is certainly not a waste.
- davidw 16y ago
  It's a bit facile to compare something that works and has a few flaws, but is used by a great deal of people, with something that still isn't out of beta and isn't really used by anyone.
  - Detrus 16y ago
    You mean desktop linux vs the web? Or even Linux vs iPhone OS?
    - davidw 16y ago
      No, I mean that apples are far superior to potatoes.
- Detrus 16y ago
  Yes Ubuntu isn't going anywhere. App developers want one and only one OS and Ubuntu doesn't make life easier by being free. As far as new technologies, I imagine internet protocols and bandwidth in 2018 will make it possible to share massive databases of information. New parallel chips will enable anyone to analyze massive databases of information, a whole economy of data sharing could emerge. New possibilities in online education, government, healthcare will all depend on the availability of currently private data. By 2030 we will be living in "The Matrix" where AIs will learn from us by monitoring every single thought we have. It's an important perspective. Facebook is just a tiny step, just like Windows was. They don't need to be perfect. Most importantly they should not be imitated or duplicated with a "free and uber-private" label. They need to be rethought with the long term perspective in mind. What's the point of privacy? Do people care about distant data miners going through their lives or do they just want to avoid being fired or ridiculed by those close to them? And if some data miners gain magic knowledge on how to manipulate the masses, don't get paranoid. It's likely government will be redesigned around the new technology by then.

mahmud 16y ago

FWIW, I have written a facebook clone in Common Lisp and took me 2 months. It has profile pages, a platform for 3rd party apps, elaborate RBAC-based security, and a rudimentary service API. If anybody wants to take this in some direction, I am more than happy to come aboard.

GeneralMaximus 16y ago
Why don't you slap it on a cheap VPS and start an invite-only beta for prospective buyers? You might even make some decent money off it :)
deleted 16y ago
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jacquesm 16y ago
Need hosting?
darko 16y ago
is there anyway we can take a look at it?
- mahmud 16y ago
  Anybody who sent me an email gets a preview after I clean it up in a week.
ay 16y ago
Does it allow the export of the data out ? Any service implemented with the intent "to be good", needs a built-in parachute for the users to use when it "becomes evil".

anatta 16y ago

Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete yet Chrome OS (which your offer will transcend "obsolete" Linux development) still depends on Linux as does a huge portion of the web. Human progress is largely evolutionary and incremental. We stand on all that came before us. Facebook brought a new concept of interaction that has a downside many people are against. They address this by creating an alternative, and so goes history. Progress is a dialog.

est 16y ago
> Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete reminds me of OS X and BSD, Webkit and KHTML.

nkassis 16y ago

Yes because only 30% of computer uses something other than Windows right? Most computers aren't on peoples desks.