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I have a somewhat more practical objection - when you reduce their pay, how are these people supposed to get healthy again? Achieving healthy status seems more

by Asooka 10y ago

I have a somewhat more practical objection - when you reduce their pay, how are these people supposed to get healthy again? Achieving healthy status seems more costly than maintaining it, but with this system, if you fall behind, your resources are further reduced on top of you being physically worse, making it even harder to get back to being healthy. It's like Mario Kart without blue shells.

serb348 10y ago
> It's like Mario Kart without blue shells. good analogy
zepto 10y ago
This is how punishments work in general. They don't help people - they just weed people out.
brianwawok 10y ago
Except it's not a cut for people who don't follow. It's a bonus for those that do. Anyone can get the bonus, just do the dance.
- deleted 10y ago
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- izacus 10y ago
  Huh? Surely you understand that there's no difference between calling something a "cut" or a "bonus" when the result is the same?
  - brianwawok 10y ago
    Perception my friend. Perception is everything. We give a tax cut to people with kids to encourage families in the US. How would people react if we changed it to a no-kid penalty paid by all people without children? Same thing right? But we would react very different to it.
- ClearAsMud 10y ago
  This is a glass half empty, half full argument. Honestly, I am taking the view that "wellness programs" should be mandatory fun. Why? Just look at social programs like social security, garbage collection, public schools, welfare ... I mean we all pay into a system even when we are healthy, wealthy, and happy .. but there comes a time, when we won't be. The buy in ideology here, is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Healthcare costs are rising for every company out there. It's _not_ free. When someone joins a wellness program they are doing so for a benefit. But .. as a company it is insuring that people are doing their best to keep the social healthcare system that the company purchased costs down for everyone. You are doing this for your fellow co-workers, not you. It's being caring enough to say hey .. I'm working hard to keep myself in the best shape I can, so I don't have to die and cost our company money when they negotiation on the bulk for ALL of us. This is not a company thing, it's a fellow-man thing. This is about as close to universal healthcare as you are going to see and it's a good thing.
tomjen3 10y ago
Eating less costs less. Burpees are free. There is an entire subreddit dedicated to eating cheap and healthy: https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/ You don't need a gym, even to get into seriously good shape https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ There is no fixed pie here, there only question is if you want it or not.
- thesmallestcat 10y ago
  And time and energy are infinite, right.
  - tomjen3 10y ago
    It doesn't take more time to eat less, but for exercise it is simply a question of priority. Yes you will have to find some part of your day where you do something you value less, then take the time to exercise instead of doing that.
    - pdkl95 10y ago
      It's great that you have the privilege of sufficient spare time to allocate towards exercise and the luck to avoid any conflicting medical problems. Investing in your own health with regular exercise and an improved diet will hopefully lead to fewer problems later in life. However, please remember that some people are not as privileged. Free time is not always available. Good food - and sufficient time to prepare it - isn't always available either. Life is complicated and work, kids, and other important obligations take priority for many people. > Eating less costs less. Eating less doesn't always lead to better health. Nutrition is complicated. > there only question is if you want it or not. Do you also tell people with a broken leg that they could walk if the wanted to? Staying healthy is not a matter of willpower and/or education. Staying healthy isn't even deterministic, because our knowledge of medicine, nutrition, etc is still imperfect.
- 0xcde4c3db 10y ago
  > You don't need a gym, even to get into seriously good shape https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ /r/bodyweightfitness is actually pretty hostile to low/no-equipment approaches. It should tell you something that the top comment on a "Jail for 3 years - training with no equipment" post leads with "you might have access to a gym".

by Asooka 10y ago

serb348 10y ago

> It's like Mario Kart without blue shells. good analogy

zepto 10y ago

This is how punishments work in general. They don't help people - they just weed people out.

brianwawok 10y ago

Except it's not a cut for people who don't follow. It's a bonus for those that do. Anyone can get the bonus, just do the dance.

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izacus 10y ago
Huh? Surely you understand that there's no difference between calling something a "cut" or a "bonus" when the result is the same?
- brianwawok 10y ago
  Perception my friend. Perception is everything. We give a tax cut to people with kids to encourage families in the US. How would people react if we changed it to a no-kid penalty paid by all people without children? Same thing right? But we would react very different to it.
ClearAsMud 10y ago
This is a glass half empty, half full argument. Honestly, I am taking the view that "wellness programs" should be mandatory fun. Why? Just look at social programs like social security, garbage collection, public schools, welfare ... I mean we all pay into a system even when we are healthy, wealthy, and happy .. but there comes a time, when we won't be. The buy in ideology here, is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Healthcare costs are rising for every company out there. It's _not_ free. When someone joins a wellness program they are doing so for a benefit. But .. as a company it is insuring that people are doing their best to keep the social healthcare system that the company purchased costs down for everyone. You are doing this for your fellow co-workers, not you. It's being caring enough to say hey .. I'm working hard to keep myself in the best shape I can, so I don't have to die and cost our company money when they negotiation on the bulk for ALL of us. This is not a company thing, it's a fellow-man thing. This is about as close to universal healthcare as you are going to see and it's a good thing.

tomjen3 10y ago

Eating less costs less. Burpees are free. There is an entire subreddit dedicated to eating cheap and healthy: https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/EatCheapAndHealthy/ You don't need a gym, even to get into seriously good shape https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ There is no fixed pie here, there only question is if you want it or not.

thesmallestcat 10y ago
And time and energy are infinite, right.
- tomjen3 10y ago
  It doesn't take more time to eat less, but for exercise it is simply a question of priority. Yes you will have to find some part of your day where you do something you value less, then take the time to exercise instead of doing that.
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    It's great that you have the privilege of sufficient spare time to allocate towards exercise and the luck to avoid any conflicting medical problems. Investing in your own health with regular exercise and an improved diet will hopefully lead to fewer problems later in life. However, please remember that some people are not as privileged. Free time is not always available. Good food - and sufficient time to prepare it - isn't always available either. Life is complicated and work, kids, and other important obligations take priority for many people. > Eating less costs less. Eating less doesn't always lead to better health. Nutrition is complicated. > there only question is if you want it or not. Do you also tell people with a broken leg that they could walk if the wanted to? Staying healthy is not a matter of willpower and/or education. Staying healthy isn't even deterministic, because our knowledge of medicine, nutrition, etc is still imperfect.
0xcde4c3db 10y ago
> You don't need a gym, even to get into seriously good shape https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ /r/bodyweightfitness is actually pretty hostile to low/no-equipment approaches. It should tell you something that the top comment on a "Jail for 3 years - training with no equipment" post leads with "you might have access to a gym".