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I suspect Greenwald has been on an anti-Hillary-media kick in retaliation for Bernie's perceived mistreatment. He sees the Russia story as a scapegoat for Hilla

by briholt 10y ago

I suspect Greenwald has been on an anti-Hillary-media kick in retaliation for Bernie's perceived mistreatment. He sees the Russia story as a scapegoat for Hillary's loss, and he'd rather see a mass media mea culpa about backing the wrong candidate.

imron 10y ago
I suspect, like most sane people, it's more likely that he doesn't want the US to start a f•cking war with Russia over drummed up evidence.
- chillwaves 10y ago
  Does that really seem likely given the incoming administration?
  - imron 10y ago
    Thankfully no. Who knows what can happen in 20 days though.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    Or the current administration, who declined to challenge Russia militarily over the Crimea seizure or Syrian bombing campaign? Is anyone talking about a war with Russia besides folks like Greenwald and Taibi, for whom it is making a nice straw man?
- comex 10y ago
  Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? Certainly not the incoming US president, who has been remarkably consistent in praising Putin, currently denies the attribution of the hacks, and during the election was quoted encouraging Russia to do more hacking. Not that it matters, but even the hawks have not called for military action, at least in any way connected to the hacking; there may be some stuff related to Russia's aggression in Ukraine and intervention in Syria, but that's different. You're attacking a strawman.
  - imron 10y ago
    Well, lets see, the Pentagon considers cyber attacks against critical US infrastructure (including the power grid) an act of war that can warrant a military response [0]. And now we have a major US newspaper publishing articles claiming (with the most tenuous of links) that Russia is hacking the US power grid. Not to mention a whole bunch of other dubious anti-Russia stories making the rounds based on flimsy 'evidence' that boils down to what another commenter posted the other day: "Russians drive trucks. Hackers used trucks. Therefore the hacks were clearly done by the Russians" It's not a straw man to say people calling for calm against Russia Hysteria are doing so because they don't want things to escalate to war with Russia. > Certainly not the incoming US president And so I find myself looking more and more forward to a Trump presidency. There are still 20 days to go however, so lets hope the media and the left can calm themselves down before then. 0: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13614125 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13614125
  - james-watson 10y ago
    > Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? The entire left establishment, from Hillary to Obama. Hillary wanted a no-fly zone in Syria. Obama just imposed a new round of sanctions on Russia, which is a precursor to war. The mental gymnastics are hitting Olympic levels with the left.
    - astaroth360 10y ago
      If sanctions were a precursor to war, don't you think we'd already be in a war with Russia?
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        Do you think sanctions are not a casus belli? This is economic warfare, Russia is effectively a land locked county without a warm water port, the US encircles it with troops, has strategic nuclear weapons on its door step and the only bordering region that the US does not directly control is another not especially friendly nuclear super power. People don't see the chess board and make Russia look like the villain; look at NATO in 1991 and look at it today if Canada would have joined the Warsaw Pact and if Russia was keeping enough nukes in Mexico to kill every living human in the continental United States where do you think we would be now? All what Russia sees is a military alliance pushed onto their border, a continuous presence of US nukes in Europe, the US never stopping it's strategic air command nuclear bomber flights and then criticizing Russia for resuming them, the EU and the US pushing to bypass Russia's pipelines in the Caspian Sea and the US deploying a missile shield in Europe that would nullify Russia's current strategic arsenal after unilaterally withdrawing from the anti-ABM treaty. And you say Russia is reckless and is a threat to world peace?

by briholt 10y ago

imron 10y ago

I suspect, like most sane people, it's more likely that he doesn't want the US to start a f•cking war with Russia over drummed up evidence.

chillwaves 10y ago
Does that really seem likely given the incoming administration?
- imron 10y ago
  Thankfully no. Who knows what can happen in 20 days though.
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  Or the current administration, who declined to challenge Russia militarily over the Crimea seizure or Syrian bombing campaign? Is anyone talking about a war with Russia besides folks like Greenwald and Taibi, for whom it is making a nice straw man?
comex 10y ago
Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? Certainly not the incoming US president, who has been remarkably consistent in praising Putin, currently denies the attribution of the hacks, and during the election was quoted encouraging Russia to do more hacking. Not that it matters, but even the hawks have not called for military action, at least in any way connected to the hacking; there may be some stuff related to Russia's aggression in Ukraine and intervention in Syria, but that's different. You're attacking a strawman.
- imron 10y ago
  Well, lets see, the Pentagon considers cyber attacks against critical US infrastructure (including the power grid) an act of war that can warrant a military response [0]. And now we have a major US newspaper publishing articles claiming (with the most tenuous of links) that Russia is hacking the US power grid. Not to mention a whole bunch of other dubious anti-Russia stories making the rounds based on flimsy 'evidence' that boils down to what another commenter posted the other day: "Russians drive trucks. Hackers used trucks. Therefore the hacks were clearly done by the Russians" It's not a straw man to say people calling for calm against Russia Hysteria are doing so because they don't want things to escalate to war with Russia. > Certainly not the incoming US president And so I find myself looking more and more forward to a Trump presidency. There are still 20 days to go however, so lets hope the media and the left can calm themselves down before then. 0: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13614125 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13614125
- james-watson 10y ago
  > Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? The entire left establishment, from Hillary to Obama. Hillary wanted a no-fly zone in Syria. Obama just imposed a new round of sanctions on Russia, which is a precursor to war. The mental gymnastics are hitting Olympic levels with the left.
  - astaroth360 10y ago
    If sanctions were a precursor to war, don't you think we'd already be in a war with Russia?
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      Do you think sanctions are not a casus belli? This is economic warfare, Russia is effectively a land locked county without a warm water port, the US encircles it with troops, has strategic nuclear weapons on its door step and the only bordering region that the US does not directly control is another not especially friendly nuclear super power. People don't see the chess board and make Russia look like the villain; look at NATO in 1991 and look at it today if Canada would have joined the Warsaw Pact and if Russia was keeping enough nukes in Mexico to kill every living human in the continental United States where do you think we would be now? All what Russia sees is a military alliance pushed onto their border, a continuous presence of US nukes in Europe, the US never stopping it's strategic air command nuclear bomber flights and then criticizing Russia for resuming them, the EU and the US pushing to bypass Russia's pipelines in the Caspian Sea and the US deploying a missile shield in Europe that would nullify Russia's current strategic arsenal after unilaterally withdrawing from the anti-ABM treaty. And you say Russia is reckless and is a threat to world peace?