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The Intercept in general (and Greenwald in particular) seems to spend an inordinate amount of time combating the "Russia Hysteria", as they've labeled it.

ccarter84 10y ago
Yea, it's been interesting to watch that evolve. The Snowden comments on the latest Russian sanctions were ... I guess unsurprising as well
RodericDay 10y ago
Inordinate? The United States went to war in Iraq in 2003 under false pretenses. The cost of that mistake was gigantic, and continues to pile up. This saber-rattling against Russia could have serious consequences, and seems to be inspired mainly by a need to find some kind of scapegoat on which to blame the DNC's absurd loss against Trump. I'm glad they're doing this.
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  > The United States went to war in Afghanistan in 2003 under false pretenses. I hardly call 2,000 dead Americans, and an attack on American soil "false pretenses". If you want to claim that it was misguided to perform a full scale invasion vs. targeted special ops missions, that is a more interesting argument. Now, the war in Iraq on the other hand, that was false pretenses...
  - RodericDay 10y ago
    You are absolutely right, that was a particularly unfortunate mix-up. I was thinking about how animosity towards Afghanistan was skillfully employed to justify invading Iraq, and in the process mixed myself up.
  - celticninja 10y ago
    Well it was false pretenses in that not one of the attackers was from Afghanistan not were there any proven links between the attackers and Afghanistan other than Osama being assumed to be the mastermind and residing in Afghanistan at the time.
  - 7952 10y ago
    At this point I am not sure if the justness of the argument makes much difference. When you make world changing decisions you have to accept that you will be judged by history, and not on the terms that you decide.
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- celticninja 10y ago
  It's odd that they think that the hack lost them the election. The hack (as with any email hack) is only useful if it uncovers wrongdoing.in this case it uncovered wrongdoing by the DNC, so whether the hack was state sponsored or not is really irrelevant, had the DNC not tried to fix the result of the nomination process it would not have mattered one iota that they were hacked.
  - tracker1 10y ago
    Thank you... that's been my thoughts all along. I mean, does it really matter if this was the Russians, or some guy in North Carolina? The facts remain, and I'd be willing to bet there's been effort to hack Trump's mail by similar foreign actors. In the end, there was some shady stuff in the emails, and if there wasn't it likely never would have seen the light of day.
    - metaobject 10y ago
      Does it matter that a foreign, non-friendly country hacked an email system and deliberately staged releases of info in attempt to cause maximum damage to a political party and sway the outcome of an election? I'm going to have to say "yes". DNC, RNC, Green, Independent, etc. it shouldn't matter who got hacked. I'd hope that all Americans would be concerned about this.
      - tracker1 10y ago
        I am concerned... but I'm more concerned about the media collaborating with the DNC.
      - Dolores12 10y ago
        It doesn't matter, because DNC was hacked by insider.
      - celticninja 10y ago
        Perhaps if those Americans were also concerned with the numerous times the US had acted in a similar fashion in other countries elections they may have a point to make. But generally they were complicit in those situations because they never complained or protested then, but now the shoe is on the other foot.
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briholt 10y ago
I suspect Greenwald has been on an anti-Hillary-media kick in retaliation for Bernie's perceived mistreatment. He sees the Russia story as a scapegoat for Hillary's loss, and he'd rather see a mass media mea culpa about backing the wrong candidate.
- imron 10y ago
  I suspect, like most sane people, it's more likely that he doesn't want the US to start a f•cking war with Russia over drummed up evidence.
  - chillwaves 10y ago
    Does that really seem likely given the incoming administration?
    - imron 10y ago
      Thankfully no. Who knows what can happen in 20 days though.
    - snowwrestler 10y ago
      Or the current administration, who declined to challenge Russia militarily over the Crimea seizure or Syrian bombing campaign? Is anyone talking about a war with Russia besides folks like Greenwald and Taibi, for whom it is making a nice straw man?
  - comex 10y ago
    Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? Certainly not the incoming US president, who has been remarkably consistent in praising Putin, currently denies the attribution of the hacks, and during the election was quoted encouraging Russia to do more hacking. Not that it matters, but even the hawks have not called for military action, at least in any way connected to the hacking; there may be some stuff related to Russia's aggression in Ukraine and intervention in Syria, but that's different. You're attacking a strawman.
woah 10y ago
It's publicly available malware code. For all we know, someone at Burlington Electric got it from an online ad. It sounds like you're jumping on the bandwagon of seeing an evil Russian spy around every corner.
- mistermann 10y ago
  From where I sit it seems the left and mainstream media are determined to start a war with Russia, including attacking people who are simply trying to be a voice of reason. This behavior is a hell of a lot more worrying than Russian cyber warfare as the last time this happened we actually did end up going to war, in Iraq.
imron 10y ago
Perhaps they're trying to learn from the mistakes of 'WMD hysteria' that gripped the world media in the lead up to the Iraq War? I mean if the intelligence community is going to drum up shoddy evidence that could potentially lead to war, I'd sure hope the media would spend an inordinate amount of time trying to combat it.
astaroth360 10y ago
That's because ever since Snowden he's started to turn into a Russophile. I think him being attacked for releasing Snowden triggered him to start just ranting against any US political or "establishment" forces and start supporting Russia because they helped out his source in the biggest story he's ever written.

ccarter84 10y ago

Yea, it's been interesting to watch that evolve. The Snowden comments on the latest Russian sanctions were ... I guess unsurprising as well

RodericDay 10y ago

Inordinate? The United States went to war in Iraq in 2003 under false pretenses. The cost of that mistake was gigantic, and continues to pile up. This saber-rattling against Russia could have serious consequences, and seems to be inspired mainly by a need to find some kind of scapegoat on which to blame the DNC's absurd loss against Trump. I'm glad they're doing this.

bluejekyll 10y ago
> The United States went to war in Afghanistan in 2003 under false pretenses. I hardly call 2,000 dead Americans, and an attack on American soil "false pretenses". If you want to claim that it was misguided to perform a full scale invasion vs. targeted special ops missions, that is a more interesting argument. Now, the war in Iraq on the other hand, that was false pretenses...
- RodericDay 10y ago
  You are absolutely right, that was a particularly unfortunate mix-up. I was thinking about how animosity towards Afghanistan was skillfully employed to justify invading Iraq, and in the process mixed myself up.
- celticninja 10y ago
  Well it was false pretenses in that not one of the attackers was from Afghanistan not were there any proven links between the attackers and Afghanistan other than Osama being assumed to be the mastermind and residing in Afghanistan at the time.
- 7952 10y ago
  At this point I am not sure if the justness of the argument makes much difference. When you make world changing decisions you have to accept that you will be judged by history, and not on the terms that you decide.
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celticninja 10y ago
It's odd that they think that the hack lost them the election. The hack (as with any email hack) is only useful if it uncovers wrongdoing.in this case it uncovered wrongdoing by the DNC, so whether the hack was state sponsored or not is really irrelevant, had the DNC not tried to fix the result of the nomination process it would not have mattered one iota that they were hacked.
- tracker1 10y ago
  Thank you... that's been my thoughts all along. I mean, does it really matter if this was the Russians, or some guy in North Carolina? The facts remain, and I'd be willing to bet there's been effort to hack Trump's mail by similar foreign actors. In the end, there was some shady stuff in the emails, and if there wasn't it likely never would have seen the light of day.
  - metaobject 10y ago
    Does it matter that a foreign, non-friendly country hacked an email system and deliberately staged releases of info in attempt to cause maximum damage to a political party and sway the outcome of an election? I'm going to have to say "yes". DNC, RNC, Green, Independent, etc. it shouldn't matter who got hacked. I'd hope that all Americans would be concerned about this.
    - tracker1 10y ago
      I am concerned... but I'm more concerned about the media collaborating with the DNC.
    - Dolores12 10y ago
      It doesn't matter, because DNC was hacked by insider.
    - celticninja 10y ago
      Perhaps if those Americans were also concerned with the numerous times the US had acted in a similar fashion in other countries elections they may have a point to make. But generally they were complicit in those situations because they never complained or protested then, but now the shoe is on the other foot.
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briholt 10y ago

I suspect Greenwald has been on an anti-Hillary-media kick in retaliation for Bernie's perceived mistreatment. He sees the Russia story as a scapegoat for Hillary's loss, and he'd rather see a mass media mea culpa about backing the wrong candidate.

imron 10y ago
I suspect, like most sane people, it's more likely that he doesn't want the US to start a f•cking war with Russia over drummed up evidence.
- chillwaves 10y ago
  Does that really seem likely given the incoming administration?
  - imron 10y ago
    Thankfully no. Who knows what can happen in 20 days though.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    Or the current administration, who declined to challenge Russia militarily over the Crimea seizure or Syrian bombing campaign? Is anyone talking about a war with Russia besides folks like Greenwald and Taibi, for whom it is making a nice straw man?
- comex 10y ago
  Who exactly has proposed starting a war with Russia or anything remotely resembling that? Certainly not the incoming US president, who has been remarkably consistent in praising Putin, currently denies the attribution of the hacks, and during the election was quoted encouraging Russia to do more hacking. Not that it matters, but even the hawks have not called for military action, at least in any way connected to the hacking; there may be some stuff related to Russia's aggression in Ukraine and intervention in Syria, but that's different. You're attacking a strawman.

woah 10y ago

It's publicly available malware code. For all we know, someone at Burlington Electric got it from an online ad. It sounds like you're jumping on the bandwagon of seeing an evil Russian spy around every corner.

mistermann 10y ago
From where I sit it seems the left and mainstream media are determined to start a war with Russia, including attacking people who are simply trying to be a voice of reason. This behavior is a hell of a lot more worrying than Russian cyber warfare as the last time this happened we actually did end up going to war, in Iraq.

imron 10y ago

Perhaps they're trying to learn from the mistakes of 'WMD hysteria' that gripped the world media in the lead up to the Iraq War? I mean if the intelligence community is going to drum up shoddy evidence that could potentially lead to war, I'd sure hope the media would spend an inordinate amount of time trying to combat it.

astaroth360 10y ago

That's because ever since Snowden he's started to turn into a Russophile. I think him being attacked for releasing Snowden triggered him to start just ranting against any US political or "establishment" forces and start supporting Russia because they helped out his source in the biggest story he's ever written.