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Putin isn't involved in this story, so he's not the actual topic.

• untog 10y ago
  Fair enough - we're talking about Russia, not Putin. But neither have anything to do with Democrats.
  • Gargoyle 10y ago
    > But neither have anything to do with Democrats. That's just not true. Democrats have been pushing the narrative that "Russian hackers" are undermining America, and pushing it quite aggressively. So it's completely valid to bring those efforts up in regard to a dramatically over-hyped story about "Russian hackers."
    • untog 10y ago
      That's exactly the point I was making in the first place - that it is now not possible to criticise Russia without the Democrats being mentioned. There's clearly a real, valid conversation to be had about Russian intelligence efforts against the US (as there is about Chinese efforts, and anyone else) but that conversation is repeatedly shut down with "yeah but Democrats". It doesn't contribute anything and makes it sound like Democrats are the only ones complaining about it, which isn't remotely true.
      • Gargoyle 10y ago
        Where has this conversation been shut down?
        • untog 10y ago
          The original post I replied to was an attempt to derail the conversation towards arguing about Democrats and ignoring Russia.
          • Gargoyle 10y ago
            It didn't say anything about ignoring Russia. That's something you're attempting to attach to it.