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On the other hand, Stuxnet.

by darpa_escapee 10y ago

finid 10y ago
Are you implying that we drew first blood?
- WalterSear 10y ago
  That was Iran, not Russia. But, we threw the first stone.
- celticninja 10y ago
  I think that the US govt is now throwing it's toys out of the pram because it thinks other countries (Russia) are using the same methods that the US employs to attack it's enemies and to influence the elections of other nations against them (the US). Personally I think it shows a huge degree of paranoia within the US govt, either that or it is a handy way to try and elicit support for future actions (further economic sanctions) against Russia. Especially as this comes a day after Russia brokered a peace deal in Syria, something the US could not achieve.
  - rhizome 10y ago
    I saw some speculation that the DNC hack was retaliation for something the US had done previously.
    - chris11 10y ago
      Hillary Clinton is saying it was retaliation for her claiming that the Russian parliamentary elections in 2011 were rigged. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-fbi-comey.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinto... I'm not saying that is true, but it does makes sense.
      - rhizome 10y ago
        I made a tendentious statement, but a 5 year lag on even that seems unlikely.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        Why? It seems to be an eye for an eye. 5 years is geopolitics is nothing everyone plays the long game.
rdtsc 10y ago
Stuxnet happened. Did anything happen here? Was anything disrupted, do this look like a coordinated state actor attempt? Russians have shut down an airliner full of people and also occupied a good chunk of Ukraine and there was less hoopla in the media about it. Someone finds a PHP shell on a laptop and Washington Post is going nuts with "OMG Russians are about to disable our power grid". If this is not Fake News then I don't know what is... Was WaPo a respectable news outlet at some point? I feel like it was, I wasn't following it much before. It has gone the way of Fox News it seems recently. Oh well..
- petre 10y ago
  > If this is not Fake News then I don't know what is... Obamaism, the McCarthyism of the 21st century. Otherwise known as good old propaganda. It goes like: Russia hacked the election, Russia hacked our grid, Donald Trump is a in fact Russian robot programmed to win the US elections and destroy America, etc.
  - rounce 10y ago
    Except it isn't. I love how some people seem to deliberately confuse an ineffectual technocrat with an evil dictatorial left-wing conspiracy leader pretending to be an ineffectual technocrat.

On the other hand, Stuxnet.

finid 10y ago

Are you implying that we drew first blood?

WalterSear 10y ago
That was Iran, not Russia. But, we threw the first stone.
celticninja 10y ago
I think that the US govt is now throwing it's toys out of the pram because it thinks other countries (Russia) are using the same methods that the US employs to attack it's enemies and to influence the elections of other nations against them (the US). Personally I think it shows a huge degree of paranoia within the US govt, either that or it is a handy way to try and elicit support for future actions (further economic sanctions) against Russia. Especially as this comes a day after Russia brokered a peace deal in Syria, something the US could not achieve.
- rhizome 10y ago
  I saw some speculation that the DNC hack was retaliation for something the US had done previously.
  - chris11 10y ago
    Hillary Clinton is saying it was retaliation for her claiming that the Russian parliamentary elections in 2011 were rigged. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-fbi-comey.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinto... I'm not saying that is true, but it does makes sense.
    - rhizome 10y ago
      I made a tendentious statement, but a 5 year lag on even that seems unlikely.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        Why? It seems to be an eye for an eye. 5 years is geopolitics is nothing everyone plays the long game.

rdtsc 10y ago

Stuxnet happened. Did anything happen here? Was anything disrupted, do this look like a coordinated state actor attempt? Russians have shut down an airliner full of people and also occupied a good chunk of Ukraine and there was less hoopla in the media about it. Someone finds a PHP shell on a laptop and Washington Post is going nuts with "OMG Russians are about to disable our power grid". If this is not Fake News then I don't know what is... Was WaPo a respectable news outlet at some point? I feel like it was, I wasn't following it much before. It has gone the way of Fox News it seems recently. Oh well..

petre 10y ago
> If this is not Fake News then I don't know what is... Obamaism, the McCarthyism of the 21st century. Otherwise known as good old propaganda. It goes like: Russia hacked the election, Russia hacked our grid, Donald Trump is a in fact Russian robot programmed to win the US elections and destroy America, etc.
- rounce 10y ago
  Except it isn't. I love how some people seem to deliberately confuse an ineffectual technocrat with an evil dictatorial left-wing conspiracy leader pretending to be an ineffectual technocrat.