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> The MSM is becoming increasingly irrelevant, social media and independent journalists who are on Twitter and various blogs are becoming more relevant. I woul

> The MSM is becoming increasingly irrelevant, social media and independent journalists who are on Twitter and various blogs are becoming more relevant. I would hardly call this a fix. The MSM is certainly unreliable, but "twitter and various blogs" are even less so.

Mikeb85 10y ago
As a medium, Twitter is unreliable. When you take the entirety of social media, the fact pictures and video can be taken in real time, you can then come to a conclusion that is close to the truth.
- darpa_escapee 10y ago
  On the other hand, Sunil Tripathi and Pizzagate.
  - Mikeb85 10y ago
    Twitter has also been instrumental in coverage of various conflicts around the world. And even though Pizzagate is firmly in conspiracy theory territory, you've got to admit - some of Podesta's emails were fucking weird.
    - vectorpush 10y ago
      > some of Podesta's emails were fucking weird I don't think that necessarily qualifies as newsworthy. A "real journalist" would have read those e-mails, found them to be pretty weird, then did an investigation to determine if anything of merit could be uncovered before printing a story. If there were any journalists involved, the pizzagate story would have been a perfect example of "irresponsible journalism", i.e. projecting unfounded claims based on rabid speculation and "gut instincts", yet being unable to prove anything definitively.
- vectorpush 10y ago
  > the fact pictures and video can be taken in real time, you can then come to a conclusion that is close to the truth. Sure, but a live video stream of newsworthy events represents a minuscule fraction of social media "reporting" and isn't even really representative of journalism in general since it's usually just an ad-hoc video from a citizen who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Even then, the conclusions drawn from citizen videos are often extremely contentious either because they are incomplete or just poorly shot (perhaps with the videographer leaving their own hysterical or biased commentary as a narration of events)
- makomk 10y ago
  I have seen an endless stream of fakes and lies spread virally through social media for the last few months, and no refutation or correction ever reaches the same kind of viral spread that the original claim did - not even ones from the original person making the claim. The refutations don't support people's existing worldview, so they don't spread.

Mikeb85 10y ago

As a medium, Twitter is unreliable. When you take the entirety of social media, the fact pictures and video can be taken in real time, you can then come to a conclusion that is close to the truth.

darpa_escapee 10y ago
On the other hand, Sunil Tripathi and Pizzagate.
- Mikeb85 10y ago
  Twitter has also been instrumental in coverage of various conflicts around the world. And even though Pizzagate is firmly in conspiracy theory territory, you've got to admit - some of Podesta's emails were fucking weird.
  - vectorpush 10y ago
    > some of Podesta's emails were fucking weird I don't think that necessarily qualifies as newsworthy. A "real journalist" would have read those e-mails, found them to be pretty weird, then did an investigation to determine if anything of merit could be uncovered before printing a story. If there were any journalists involved, the pizzagate story would have been a perfect example of "irresponsible journalism", i.e. projecting unfounded claims based on rabid speculation and "gut instincts", yet being unable to prove anything definitively.
vectorpush 10y ago
> the fact pictures and video can be taken in real time, you can then come to a conclusion that is close to the truth. Sure, but a live video stream of newsworthy events represents a minuscule fraction of social media "reporting" and isn't even really representative of journalism in general since it's usually just an ad-hoc video from a citizen who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Even then, the conclusions drawn from citizen videos are often extremely contentious either because they are incomplete or just poorly shot (perhaps with the videographer leaving their own hysterical or biased commentary as a narration of events)
makomk 10y ago
I have seen an endless stream of fakes and lies spread virally through social media for the last few months, and no refutation or correction ever reaches the same kind of viral spread that the original claim did - not even ones from the original person making the claim. The refutations don't support people's existing worldview, so they don't spread.