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Glenn Greenwald is being really weird about this Russia hacking thing. Why?
by dimino 10y ago
Glenn Greenwald is being really weird about this Russia hacking thing.
Why?
- mSparks 10y agosnowden lives in moscow now. And the US government did enough to annoy both of them that they decided to defect.
- AlexCoventry 10y agoHe's practicing journalism. Demanding verification from sources, particularly historically untrustworthy ones, is basic journalism.
- dimino 10y agoJournalism isn't about "demanding verification" it's about getting it for yourself, and waiting until you have it before writing an article. Also, him saying "false story" is, itself false, because the the facts are objectively true. Officials did say what they were quoted as saying, and the NYT changed the headline shortly after publishing the story, which is (like it or not) common practice in the industry. Glenn was party to it himself while at The Guardian. It's just "weird" to me that there's a faction of people out there who don't believe that Russia infiltrated the DNC, and I think it's because they're politically motivated to not believe this to be the case. There's never been such an ignorance driving security news before. It's alarming and completely out of left field.
- cloakandswagger 10y agoIt's equally unfathomable to me that there are people who take the Russia/DNC story as fact, even when no concrete evidence has been presented. That WaPo tries to throw fuel on the fire with by exaggerating a small morsel of truth (see: "RUSSIA HACKS U.S. POWER GRID") is even more concerning.
- dimino 10y agoWhat would you need to see to believe it happened? Be as specific as you can.
- cloakandswagger 10y agoSource please edit: Since you edited your original post - I would want to see the same report that Obama saw, the one that led his administration to go so far as saying Putin was "personally involved" in orchestrating the attack. Redact sensitive info/sources as necessary. Anything less makes it ludicrous to accuse a nuclear superpower of cyber warfare.
- dimino 10y agoI asked what specific piece of evidence is missing.
- cloakandswagger 10y agoYou did, after you edited the original post ("There is concrete evidence.") Have you even looked at the "evidence" out there so far? It's entirely circumstantial evidence put out by third party info sec groups.
- wavefunction 10y agoDefine weird. Unless you just want to suggestively italicize some words and wink wink nod nod I am pretty skeptical about the extent of direct Russian governmental involvement in the hacking of the DNC and Podesta's email account given the paucity of evidence. It would seem far more likely that Putin's regime turns a blind eye to certain activities either originating in or passing through their domain, as long as the target falls within certain parameters. Don't get me wrong, I think a certain amount of firm resolve is due to be shown to Russia now and in the future, but I think there are many valid reasons for that without needing to invent them.
- dimino 10y ago> I am pretty skeptical about the extent of direct Russian governmental involvement in the hacking of the DNC and Podesta's email account given the paucity of evidence. I'm sorry, but what? There is a preponderance of evidence, way more than is usually available for such things. What piece of evidence is missing? What would convince you?
- zzzcpan 10y agoHere's the thing about intelligence, it's not really verifiable by the public and the stories are only here to push some agenda.
- dimino 10y agoI just feel like there's no amount of evidence that'll convince the folks who are currently unconvinced.
- pessimizer 10y agoYour feelings assume bad faith.
- mSparks 10y ago"agenda news" fvey vs fsb played out in public.