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Interesting and provocative. That may be difficult for folks today. > 1. Many of us lived through the 1960s and 1970s, when the government and scientists claim

Interesting and provocative. That may be difficult for folks today. > 1. Many of us lived through the 1960s and 1970s, when the government and scientists claimed we were heading into an ice age. Didn't happen. I lived through the 60's and 70's and I do not recall ever hearing this. You're going to have to provide examples of this to bring me into this tent. > 2. Many of us lived through the late 1970s and 1980s when the media and environmentalists claimed that Earth would be a lifeless rock by the end of the century due to deforestation. Didn't happen. Again, I just don't recall ever hearing this. I find 'many of us' to be a problematic phrase. You're making a claim beyond your personal experience using this phrase and it sure doesn't apply to me. It may be your experience, and that's fine. But I'm not giving you a pass on claiming it was anyone's experience beyond your own. I am interested in where you encountered these perspectives; I am aware I may be retro-fitting my own memories. [edit: as per usual fixing mobile autocorrect and formating ]

bubblesocks 10y ago
> I lived through the 60's and 70's and I do not recall ever hearing this. Really? I do: https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970... > Again, I just don't recall ever hearing this. I think he's referring to either the "acid rain/forest die-off: http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-acid-rain-forest-die-off-prove-to-be-pure-fallacy-from-hysterical-scientists-a/#sthash.mnIrc2TA.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-ac... or the rainforest (this article contains a bunch of environmental scares that didn't happen): http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-acid-rain-forest-die-off-prove-to-be-pure-fallacy-from-hysterical-scientists-a/#sthash.mnIrc2TA.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-ac... Or maybe the forest fire commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH_MW0Bi7L4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH_MW0Bi7L4 Or maybe conflating them to make a point.
- anderspitman 10y ago
  The first article you linked seems to indicate that most scientists in peer reviewed papers were actually predicting warming, not cooling (42 papers vs 7 papers). Also, I didn't read it carefully but I did not see anything mentioning the government claiming these things. However, I think it's still an important point that climate change skeptics CLAIM to have been told these these in the 70s, and use it as an important part of their argument.
DanBC 10y ago
> > 1. Many of us lived through the 1960s and 1970s, when the government and scientists claimed we were heading into an ice age. Didn't happen. > I lived through the 60's and 70's and I do not recall ever hearing this. You're going to have to provide examples of this to bring me into this tent. (I believe climate change is real, is happening, and is caused by human activity). It's weird that people say warnings about ice ages were non existent, because they really weren't. We can talk about whether they were taken seriously by relevant scientists, or if they were just pop-sci nonsense, but we can't say they didn't exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling I guess I'm responding in particular to your words: > and I do not recall ever hearing this. when perhaps I should be reading > and I do not recall ever hearing this from scientists.

bubblesocks 10y ago

> I lived through the 60's and 70's and I do not recall ever hearing this. Really? I do: https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970... > Again, I just don't recall ever hearing this. I think he's referring to either the "acid rain/forest die-off: http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-acid-rain-forest-die-off-prove-to-be-pure-fallacy-from-hysterical-scientists-a/#sthash.mnIrc2TA.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-ac... or the rainforest (this article contains a bunch of environmental scares that didn't happen): http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-acid-rain-forest-die-off-prove-to-be-pure-fallacy-from-hysterical-scientists-a/#sthash.mnIrc2TA.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/05/1980s-dire-warnings-of-ac... Or maybe the forest fire commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH_MW0Bi7L4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH_MW0Bi7L4 Or maybe conflating them to make a point.

anderspitman 10y ago
The first article you linked seems to indicate that most scientists in peer reviewed papers were actually predicting warming, not cooling (42 papers vs 7 papers). Also, I didn't read it carefully but I did not see anything mentioning the government claiming these things. However, I think it's still an important point that climate change skeptics CLAIM to have been told these these in the 70s, and use it as an important part of their argument.

DanBC 10y ago

> > 1. Many of us lived through the 1960s and 1970s, when the government and scientists claimed we were heading into an ice age. Didn't happen. > I lived through the 60's and 70's and I do not recall ever hearing this. You're going to have to provide examples of this to bring me into this tent. (I believe climate change is real, is happening, and is caused by human activity). It's weird that people say warnings about ice ages were non existent, because they really weren't. We can talk about whether they were taken seriously by relevant scientists, or if they were just pop-sci nonsense, but we can't say they didn't exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling I guess I'm responding in particular to your words: > and I do not recall ever hearing this. when perhaps I should be reading > and I do not recall ever hearing this from scientists.