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Bloggers Leave LiveJournal as Servers Move to Russia
- unicornporn 10y agoEdited the title to better describe what the post was about. I hope that's OK.
- carbocation 10y agoI don't know what you had edited it to, but the current title is both true to the title on MeFi and doesn't really tell the gist of the story, which is "LiveJournal servers now located in Russia; purge of dissident accounts alleged" or something like that.
- r721 10y agoYeah, it was changed back to original title by mods, it seems.
- dang 10y agoOk, we changed it back to what you had.
- devoply 10y agoUnderstandable if you are a dissident that's working against Russian interests. Not understandable otherwise, as everything you post online is available for anyone to do with as they choose anyhow.
- rospaya 10y ago> Not understandable otherwise, as everything you post online is available for anyone to do with as they choose anyhow. Russia is a country that heavily censores the internet and opresses its own people. That's a good enough reason.
- huhtenberg 10y agoIt's China that heavily censores (sic) the Internet. Russia just censors, but it's on par with the US, India and other countries. They just don't get their fair of TV coverage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_surveillance_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_survei...
- tptacek 10y agoIn what way does the US censor the Internet at all?
- devoply 10y agoIn some ways freedom of speech can be used as a tool of surveillance. You say that people can say anything they want, and then you let them tell you who you should be watching via your sophisticated surveillance apparatus.
- tptacek 10y agoIf it's ok with you, I'd like to know what it was 'huhtenberg meant.
- mcphage 10y agoAnswering a question about censorship with a response about surveillance is a pretty big non sequitur.
- devoply 10y agoWhat it boils down to is that we don't censor things, well the reason we don't censor things is because our government does not feel the need to censor things to continue to function. That's because we have methods of dealing with people saying things that we don't want to become common opinion, i.e. we have very sophisticated propaganda tools to sway public opinion that until now were working pretty well. So we don't have to censor. Regimes where they don't have those type of tools have to censor, otherwise they lose power and legitimacy and things become chaotic. You can't control people. To a Western secularist who basically has a covenant with the State called the Constitution, so it's a religious sort of deal. When the reason is not religious as to why states do this, they don't do it because they are bad or evil people. They do it because they feel that they have no choice and because that's how things in their country with their people. For the Western States which have destabilized and destroyed many States in the Middle East using this sort of rhetoric, of saving them from a government oppressing its people, they don't have a leg to stand upon. They are not good because they are saving people from an evil dictator that does not follow their covenant. They are in fact at times evil and sociopathic in destroying and destabilizing those states that can not run properly without a dictator.
- lukeschlather 10y agoOnly the LiveJournal administrators can remove or alter your content. So it matters a great deal if Russia might want to remove or alter your content.
- guard-of-terra 10y agoA person who is working about country's interests is not called dissident, and you definitely should not have been throwing such claims around.
- fuayenaha 10y ago> Russia is a country that heavily censores the internet and opresses its own people. That's a good enough reason. That's relative. Compared to the US, they are not friends of degeneracy, but they are friends of piracy, for example. It's like a different set of freedoms, which reflects their different culture.
- pjc50 10y ago"degeneracy" ?! :(
- fuayenaha 10y agoAs far as I know (correct me if wrong) most censored contents are about gay propaganda, gambling, pornography, etc. Is that right or is there anything else? On the other hand, VK and Telegram host loads of pirated content and they don't seem to care much.
- tptacek 10y agoI'm guessing you're not an American or western European, so you should know that very few people here are going to react warmly to comments calling gay people "degenerate", or lumping them in with pornographers.
- fuayenaha 10y agoI am a western European, I just have different views on some stuff :) I understand most people here will differ, but I believe it's important to give visibility to those who think like me, so they know they're not alone!
- legodt 10y agoMods please ban this hatemonger rather than just deleting hateful comments. This is ridiculous. People calling gays "degenerates" have no place here.
- lykron 10y agoIf anyone is looking to jump ship, DreamWidth is a fork of LiveJournal.
- mankash666 10y agoIf the Russian state wants to mess with your blog, they will regardless of the geography it's hosted in. Case in point - the recent DNC email hacks. This post assumes livejournal is somehow working with the state to facilitate censorship or surveillance. That seems a little presumptuous.
- mankash666 10y agoDisappointed with the down votes. A company is not the same as the country it operates from