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> Talking about how Putin is a dangerous autocrat? > That's sabre rattling. Yes, that is indeed sabre rattling. You should also be unhappy with Obama putt

by pdx 10y ago

> Talking about how Putin is a dangerous autocrat? > That's sabre rattling. Yes, that is indeed sabre rattling. You should also be unhappy with Obama putting sanctions on Russia because he is unhappy that some dirty laundry on Hillary was released to the voters, even after Assange and many others have assured us that this was an inside leak, not Russia related. You should be unhappy that Obama has been sabre rattling against Russia for years. There are many who believe that his motivations to topple Assad are to deny Russia it's only warm water port in Tartus, Syria. This would explain why he keeps sending weapons to extremist groups that tell us they're not ISIS affiliated but still end up burning and decapitating people. Obama is already engaged in a proxy war with Russia, which is pretty much the ultimate form of sabre-rattling.

peteretep 10y ago
> he is unhappy that some dirty laundry > on Hillary was released to the voters Even the Ecuadorians were pretty pissed off about it[0], and they seem to have no problem giving the US the finger > even after Assange ... have assured us It's funny, I find Snowden very very credible, but Assange I find not-in-the-least credible. Also I can't find a source for this, just "an associate of" Assange -- this[1] is the best source I could find, and it's ... weird. > You should be unhappy that Obama has > been sabre rattling against Russia > for years Hrm[2]. [0] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-state-actor http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b6... [1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-a... [2] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/22/barack-obama/obama-romney-called-russia-our-top-geopolitical-fo/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/...
- pdx 10y ago
  > It's funny, I find Snowden very very credible, but > Assange I find not-in-the-least credible. That's a shame. Assange has earned your trust by never, once, being shown to have provided incorrect information. If you can cite a single instance where his information was not correct, I am very interested. Until then, he's gone through more hell even then Snowden with nobody able to dispute his releases. What more could he possibly do to earn your trust?
  - peteretep 10y ago
    > Assange has earned your trust > by never, once, being shown to > have provided incorrect > information I suspect what you mean is "Wikileaks has apparently never released forged documents", which is very very different from "Assange has never provided incorrect information".
__derek__ 10y ago
Has Putin not invaded Georgia and Ukraine, ordered the killing of journalists, jailed and assassinated political opponents, and deployed his military in support of Assad's genocidal regime? How do you "sabre rattle" against someone who's already charged into battle and killed?
- nisa 10y ago
  > Has Putin not invaded Georgia Georgia started that conflict for the record. I don't know the details but Russia retiliated pretty aggressive but they responded. > and Ukraine, Annexion of Crima (important seaport, russian majority) and supporting the seperatists in a region that was pro russia even before the the conflict to have a frozen conflict to avoid Ukraine joining NATO... is a bit more complicated than "invading". > ordered the killing of journalists, There is no proof (afaik) that Putin did that. There other poeple in Russia with connections to Putin that likely did that through e.g. the ruler of chechnya. There are internal battles in Russian politics (invisible outside of the kremlin) > jailed and assassinated political opponents, You mean the other oligarchs? That's not as black and white as western media likes to explain it. I'm not sure if any assassination attempts that can be traced to Putin are reliable documented. > and deployed his military in support of Assad's genocidal regime? Quite a simplification of the Syrian conflict, also Russia has it's only warm seaport in Syria. Russias involvement was widely seen as a reaction. > How do you "sabre rattle" against someone who's already charged into battle and killed? It's actually complicated and the west, especially the US is not really the good guy in a lot of stories. Putin is also not good. It's strategic game playing while ignoring deaths. On both sides. There is no simple black/white good and bad logic here. It's ugly from all sides.

by pdx 10y ago

peteretep 10y ago

> he is unhappy that some dirty laundry > on Hillary was released to the voters Even the Ecuadorians were pretty pissed off about it[0], and they seem to have no problem giving the US the finger > even after Assange ... have assured us It's funny, I find Snowden very very credible, but Assange I find not-in-the-least credible. Also I can't find a source for this, just "an associate of" Assange -- this[1] is the best source I could find, and it's ... weird. > You should be unhappy that Obama has > been sabre rattling against Russia > for years Hrm[2]. [0] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-state-actor http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b6... [1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-a... [2] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/22/barack-obama/obama-romney-called-russia-our-top-geopolitical-fo/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/...

pdx 10y ago
> It's funny, I find Snowden very very credible, but > Assange I find not-in-the-least credible. That's a shame. Assange has earned your trust by never, once, being shown to have provided incorrect information. If you can cite a single instance where his information was not correct, I am very interested. Until then, he's gone through more hell even then Snowden with nobody able to dispute his releases. What more could he possibly do to earn your trust?
- peteretep 10y ago
  > Assange has earned your trust > by never, once, being shown to > have provided incorrect > information I suspect what you mean is "Wikileaks has apparently never released forged documents", which is very very different from "Assange has never provided incorrect information".

__derek__ 10y ago

Has Putin not invaded Georgia and Ukraine, ordered the killing of journalists, jailed and assassinated political opponents, and deployed his military in support of Assad's genocidal regime? How do you "sabre rattle" against someone who's already charged into battle and killed?

nisa 10y ago
> Has Putin not invaded Georgia Georgia started that conflict for the record. I don't know the details but Russia retiliated pretty aggressive but they responded. > and Ukraine, Annexion of Crima (important seaport, russian majority) and supporting the seperatists in a region that was pro russia even before the the conflict to have a frozen conflict to avoid Ukraine joining NATO... is a bit more complicated than "invading". > ordered the killing of journalists, There is no proof (afaik) that Putin did that. There other poeple in Russia with connections to Putin that likely did that through e.g. the ruler of chechnya. There are internal battles in Russian politics (invisible outside of the kremlin) > jailed and assassinated political opponents, You mean the other oligarchs? That's not as black and white as western media likes to explain it. I'm not sure if any assassination attempts that can be traced to Putin are reliable documented. > and deployed his military in support of Assad's genocidal regime? Quite a simplification of the Syrian conflict, also Russia has it's only warm seaport in Syria. Russias involvement was widely seen as a reaction. > How do you "sabre rattle" against someone who's already charged into battle and killed? It's actually complicated and the west, especially the US is not really the good guy in a lot of stories. Putin is also not good. It's strategic game playing while ignoring deaths. On both sides. There is no simple black/white good and bad logic here. It's ugly from all sides.