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Well, Huffington Post is a terrible newspaper. But the first thing it tells is the privilege of country you were born at, meaning I'm less privileged than most

Well, Huffington Post is a terrible newspaper. But the first thing it tells is the privilege of country you were born at, meaning I'm less privileged than most of you here and maybe I shouldn't be oppressed all the time with these articles. Citing the article itself, the writers of the stories I'm complaining about don't see their own privilege and should stop using term white straight men because it's oppressive against 200mil or more white people currently living in the ex soviet block! Yes, I know I'm a little pissed right now, but go and check your damn privilege, because I travelled to another country to submit my app to appstore. The app failed miserably by the way.

Manishearth 10y ago
Again, this is the point of intersectionality. You do not have the privilege of being born in the US (or other such places). Understood. That is exactly the point the article was trying to make, privilege is not a simple concept of "you are white, ergo you are universally better off". Like I said, someone non-white in your situation might be worse off, however (not always, again, privilege is not a blanket statement). It's relative, and other aspects of your life may negate the privilege. The pointing out of privilege is not an attack. It can be wrong some times, but don't take it as an attack. > should stop using term white straight men Perhaps. Like I said, the terminology means something different to the in-group. Many folks implicitly understand it in the context of intersectionality. These folks do not mean to say that all white men are bad or all white men have absolute privilege. It's something more nuanced.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  I understand the point you're trying to make but it's like saying don't take these black crime statistics seriously, some black people are actually very nice. Look at this one nice NBA player. Pointing our x rape statistics is nothing but and x race shouldn't take it personally! It can be nasty sometimes but you should take it personally. Jesus christ this sounds like Donald Trump! I give you this example only because you're an American. Does two wrongs make one right just like in maths? Just like the privilege dogma itself preaches, the people who spread should stop using such terms. Practice what you preach. I don't find anything nuanced taking massive group of people and repeating they are all doing or have done bad things.
  - sho_hn 10y ago
    The point Manisearth is trying to make is that "having privilege" is not the same as "doing bad things" and also not the same as "having privilege in all things". You're at this point choosing to be offended by reading something indiscriminately that, when used well, isn't being used indiscriminately, but in a context.
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  - Manishearth 10y ago
    > I don't find anything nuanced taking massive group of people and repeating they are all doing or have done bad things. At no point did I do that. I said that privilege it not an attack. I said that it doesn't imply that you are doing bad things. All it means that there's a good chance that the particular aspect of your identity may have given you a leg up over others who are identical to you in all other respects. That doesn't mean you've done a bad thing, it's just something that's worth recognizing. It doesn't mean that you're universally better off, either; like I said that's the point of intersectionality -- you can have some privilege due to one aspect of your life which is completely eclipsed by another aspect of your life, e.g. not living in the U.S. I can't understand the first half of your comment at all. Tending to agree with sho_hn that you're basically trying to be offended here.
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Manishearth 10y ago

Again, this is the point of intersectionality. You do not have the privilege of being born in the US (or other such places). Understood. That is exactly the point the article was trying to make, privilege is not a simple concept of "you are white, ergo you are universally better off". Like I said, someone non-white in your situation might be worse off, however (not always, again, privilege is not a blanket statement). It's relative, and other aspects of your life may negate the privilege. The pointing out of privilege is not an attack. It can be wrong some times, but don't take it as an attack. > should stop using term white straight men Perhaps. Like I said, the terminology means something different to the in-group. Many folks implicitly understand it in the context of intersectionality. These folks do not mean to say that all white men are bad or all white men have absolute privilege. It's something more nuanced.

angry-hacker 10y ago
I understand the point you're trying to make but it's like saying don't take these black crime statistics seriously, some black people are actually very nice. Look at this one nice NBA player. Pointing our x rape statistics is nothing but and x race shouldn't take it personally! It can be nasty sometimes but you should take it personally. Jesus christ this sounds like Donald Trump! I give you this example only because you're an American. Does two wrongs make one right just like in maths? Just like the privilege dogma itself preaches, the people who spread should stop using such terms. Practice what you preach. I don't find anything nuanced taking massive group of people and repeating they are all doing or have done bad things.
- sho_hn 10y ago
  The point Manisearth is trying to make is that "having privilege" is not the same as "doing bad things" and also not the same as "having privilege in all things". You're at this point choosing to be offended by reading something indiscriminately that, when used well, isn't being used indiscriminately, but in a context.
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- Manishearth 10y ago
  > I don't find anything nuanced taking massive group of people and repeating they are all doing or have done bad things. At no point did I do that. I said that privilege it not an attack. I said that it doesn't imply that you are doing bad things. All it means that there's a good chance that the particular aspect of your identity may have given you a leg up over others who are identical to you in all other respects. That doesn't mean you've done a bad thing, it's just something that's worth recognizing. It doesn't mean that you're universally better off, either; like I said that's the point of intersectionality -- you can have some privilege due to one aspect of your life which is completely eclipsed by another aspect of your life, e.g. not living in the U.S. I can't understand the first half of your comment at all. Tending to agree with sho_hn that you're basically trying to be offended here.
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