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They didn't fully learn the lesson of the Superfish fiasco: "X1 Carbon is available with Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Signature Edition. No more trialware or unwan
by nfoz 10y ago
They didn't fully learn the lesson of the Superfish fiasco:
"X1 Carbon is available with Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Signature Edition. No more trialware or unwanted apps. No more distractions—and easy provisioning for IT pros."
So do that with every version, and stop feeding people "unwanted apps" altogether. You just admitted that nobody wants them, and this irresponsible attitude is exactly why you got bopped for pre-installing the Superfish MITM malware.
- mynameisvlad 10y ago"Signature Edition" is a Microsoft concept, not a Lenovo one. [0] And there will always be trialware and unwanted apps as long as the company gets money from including these. Because who doesn't want free money? [0]: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Signature-Edition-PCs/categoryID.69916600 https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Signatu...
- masklinn 10y agoYou're missing the point. Yes Signature Edition is an unadulterated Windows install, nfoz is asking why they're selling anything else given "nobody wants them, and this irresponsible attitude is exactly why you got bopped for pre-installing the Superfish MITM malware"
- mynameisvlad 10y agoYes, to which I replied "Because who doesn't want free money?" Companies don't give a shit as to who wants them or who doesn't, because they get free money for each install that includes the bloatware, and that's all that they really care about; maximizing the profits. Microsoft's profits are probably negatively impacted by the bloatware in the form of a bad experience, and probably pays the OEM some amount to offset the removal (I don't work in sales, I have no idea how those deals are made or what they contain) so that users have a better experience with Windows. OEMs can choose to go that route, or not, and the reason why most computers are not is that they probably get more money from having the bloatware in there; otherwise, we'd see Signature Edition as the default.
- eropple 10y agoTrialware is installed because it improves ROI on the product. Whether people want them or not is functionally irrelevant--whether they're willing to pay to not have them is relevant. If you're willing to pay more, feel free to demonstrate it. (I'm not, because I nuke-and-pave hardware when I get it.)
- spiderfarmer 10y agoHow long does it take to do a full reinstall nowadays? Still hours?
- oblio 10y agoNot really. Windows 7/10 should be up and running in under half an hour in most circumstances.
- rcarmo 10y agoI installed Windows 10 on an SSD, plus Office 365 from the Internet, in around 30 minutes last week, so yes.
- Maarten88 10y agoClean Windows 10 install from usb key is under 30 mins nowadays.
- mynameisvlad 10y agoDon't even have to clean install from a USB Key as of the Windows 10 Anniversary update from a few months ago. Microsoft now has a tool that downloads the image and installs it for you automatically. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10startfresh https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10s...
- ylk 10y agoIirc they introduced that with Win8
- yuhong 10y agoAh, "consumer" vs "business" computers. I wonder whether this distinction even makes sense.
- vacri 10y agoSuperfish didn't happen to the ThinkPad line of computers - it was a different division in Lenovo that made that error.