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I got the impression that the han symbols introduced here were originally NOT in the emoji charsets ("NTT DoCoMo Pictographs" etc.), but come from the "Japanese

I got the impression that the han symbols introduced here were originally NOT in the emoji charsets ("NTT DoCoMo Pictographs" etc.), but come from the "Japanese TV Symbols (ARIB)" charset. That means that they aren't originally used in mobile phones, but in TV receivers. (Digital programming guide, subtitles etc.) They were only included in the emoji range later, when they became a part of Unicode.

kalleboo 10y ago
I know the symbols were present on the mobile web, but I could be mistaken about them actually being encoded as Emoji. I have a couple ancient gala-kei lying around, I'll see if I can find one of the proprietary chargers and fire one up tomorrow to research. A quick google reveals this docomo<>au translation chart from 2008 with 空 and 満 http://kiironinaritai.com/store/emoji/emoji_docomo_au.gif http://kiironinaritai.com/store/emoji/emoji_docomo_au.gif And this page also from 2008 with a SoftBank table with 有, 無, 特, 割, ココ, サ etc http://m-pe.tv/u/page.php?uid=emoji0427&id=2 http://m-pe.tv/u/page.php?uid=emoji0427&id=2 edit: the fact that 満,空 and 指 are right next to the "seat" emoji in the softbank private encoding reinforces what I remembered about them being used for mobile booking sites
- GolDDranks 10y ago
  Okay, maybe I was wrong then about those being from ARIB. I used to use an old gara-kei too not further than a few years ago (I think it was 2012), and indeed, there were some han emojis on mobile too.
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    Everything is further muddied by the fact that the three operators all had incompatible emoji sets, all squirreled away in unused parts of Shift-JIS. IIRC, first docomo launched emoji, then someone else came out with "look we have animated emoji!", then the next company had to launch multicolor emoji, "oh but now OUR new model has an extra 150 emoji!" I'm sure some of the ones that ended up in Unicode came from ARIB, but others were cobbled together from the operator sets.
    - masklinn 10y ago
      > the three operators all had incompatible emoji sets, all squirreled away in unused parts of Shift-JIS It was even worse than that originally: NTT DoCoMo used private-use ranges in both Unicode and SHIFT-JIS, au used embedded IMG tags in arbitrary text content and SoftBank bracketed emoji codes in SI/SO escapes.

kalleboo 10y ago

I know the symbols were present on the mobile web, but I could be mistaken about them actually being encoded as Emoji. I have a couple ancient gala-kei lying around, I'll see if I can find one of the proprietary chargers and fire one up tomorrow to research. A quick google reveals this docomo<>au translation chart from 2008 with 空 and 満 http://kiironinaritai.com/store/emoji/emoji_docomo_au.gif http://kiironinaritai.com/store/emoji/emoji_docomo_au.gif And this page also from 2008 with a SoftBank table with 有, 無, 特, 割, ココ, サ etc http://m-pe.tv/u/page.php?uid=emoji0427&id=2 http://m-pe.tv/u/page.php?uid=emoji0427&id=2 edit: the fact that 満,空 and 指 are right next to the "seat" emoji in the softbank private encoding reinforces what I remembered about them being used for mobile booking sites

GolDDranks 10y ago
Okay, maybe I was wrong then about those being from ARIB. I used to use an old gara-kei too not further than a few years ago (I think it was 2012), and indeed, there were some han emojis on mobile too.
- kalleboo 10y ago
  Everything is further muddied by the fact that the three operators all had incompatible emoji sets, all squirreled away in unused parts of Shift-JIS. IIRC, first docomo launched emoji, then someone else came out with "look we have animated emoji!", then the next company had to launch multicolor emoji, "oh but now OUR new model has an extra 150 emoji!" I'm sure some of the ones that ended up in Unicode came from ARIB, but others were cobbled together from the operator sets.
  - masklinn 10y ago
    > the three operators all had incompatible emoji sets, all squirreled away in unused parts of Shift-JIS It was even worse than that originally: NTT DoCoMo used private-use ranges in both Unicode and SHIFT-JIS, au used embedded IMG tags in arbitrary text content and SoftBank bracketed emoji codes in SI/SO escapes.