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The article forgot to mention one important point. The option to install another OS on PS3 only disappears if the firmware is updated to the latest version. And

by kostko 16y ago

The article forgot to mention one important point. The option to install another OS on PS3 only disappears if the firmware is updated to the latest version. And to my knowledge, I see no reason why these computing farms should update. They need no PSN access and updates bring no new benefits to the installed OS. New PS3 slim models are already missing that option out of the box.

mbreese 16y ago
This is true, but I believe the point isn't that pre-existing PS3 HPC clusters will be hampered, it's that no new ones will be created.
- sp332 16y ago
  Slim PS3's never had OtherOS capability, so new PS3 supercomputers have been hampered for a while before 3.21.
- wmf 16y ago
  That hardly matters, since the PS3 is already obsolete for HPC. In 2007 it was pretty interesting but today you should be using GPUs.
  - FlorinAndrei 16y ago
    Aw, man, I'm so conflicted about that. I made the financial effort to refurbish the "fat" PS3 when it died, even though I'd already bought a Slim, just to keep that system around to learn Cell programming. It's still running the old firmware and, in fact, boots directly into Yellow Dog Linux by default. Yet, I agree, it feels kind of pointless nowadays, with the GPUs becoming so much better all the time. Just recently the GTX 260 broke the $200 floor at newegg.com and I'll probably buy one pretty soon (maybe when they are around $150) - and those things are pretty powerful. The real motivator is actually to play Tomb Raider Underworld :-) but I'm pretty sure I'll at least try and do some CUDA with it. So, doing an open source project on the Cell doesn't seem so attractive nowadays. Maybe just for bragging? I've also heard rumors that there's a successor to the Cell in the works. I'm not sure how it will compare with the GPUs though.
    - wmf 16y ago
      Putting aside what I know about this specific topic, a hypothetical Cell 2 would remain the same for five years and thus might be interesting when it came out but would also be obsolete for most of its lifetime. There's just no way for console chips that are updated every five years to compete with CPUs and GPUs that are updated every year.
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- chrischen 16y ago
  The article makes it sound as if the firmware update is killing off the HPC clusters though. And if it is talking about how the new PS3s don't have OtherOS, I'm not sure why it would be to Sony's advantage to keep adding that in so they could lose hundreds of PS3s to non-game buying researchers. I think the concern is that the firmware update cut off HPC capabilities from consumers who sought to use it as both a game device and an HPC device.

by kostko 16y ago

mbreese 16y ago

This is true, but I believe the point isn't that pre-existing PS3 HPC clusters will be hampered, it's that no new ones will be created.

sp332 16y ago
Slim PS3's never had OtherOS capability, so new PS3 supercomputers have been hampered for a while before 3.21.
wmf 16y ago
That hardly matters, since the PS3 is already obsolete for HPC. In 2007 it was pretty interesting but today you should be using GPUs.
- FlorinAndrei 16y ago
  Aw, man, I'm so conflicted about that. I made the financial effort to refurbish the "fat" PS3 when it died, even though I'd already bought a Slim, just to keep that system around to learn Cell programming. It's still running the old firmware and, in fact, boots directly into Yellow Dog Linux by default. Yet, I agree, it feels kind of pointless nowadays, with the GPUs becoming so much better all the time. Just recently the GTX 260 broke the $200 floor at newegg.com and I'll probably buy one pretty soon (maybe when they are around $150) - and those things are pretty powerful. The real motivator is actually to play Tomb Raider Underworld :-) but I'm pretty sure I'll at least try and do some CUDA with it. So, doing an open source project on the Cell doesn't seem so attractive nowadays. Maybe just for bragging? I've also heard rumors that there's a successor to the Cell in the works. I'm not sure how it will compare with the GPUs though.
  - wmf 16y ago
    Putting aside what I know about this specific topic, a hypothetical Cell 2 would remain the same for five years and thus might be interesting when it came out but would also be obsolete for most of its lifetime. There's just no way for console chips that are updated every five years to compete with CPUs and GPUs that are updated every year.
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chrischen 16y ago
The article makes it sound as if the firmware update is killing off the HPC clusters though. And if it is talking about how the new PS3s don't have OtherOS, I'm not sure why it would be to Sony's advantage to keep adding that in so they could lose hundreds of PS3s to non-game buying researchers. I think the concern is that the firmware update cut off HPC capabilities from consumers who sought to use it as both a game device and an HPC device.