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The new c2 browsing experience makes me physically angry. My skin temperature goes up, and my face makes an automatic scowl. I don't know how they turned the m

The new c2 browsing experience makes me physically angry. My skin temperature goes up, and my face makes an automatic scowl. I don't know how they turned the most basic HTML page into something that takes 30 seconds of spinner to load the same thing. I counted 20 seconds to load http://wiki.c2.com/?SoftwareMasterpiece http://wiki.c2.com/?SoftwareMasterpiece

sgift 10y ago
For a moment I thought this was another of the "meh, it uses JS, I want to surf with my Lynx!!!!" rants but wow that page is really slow. I only counted 9 secs for the original page and 11 secs for your link, still ... for a bit of text? Not even an image? What are they doing? setTimeout before they show the HTML? Edit: opening the same link again is instant. Weird.
- jazoom 10y ago
  Ironically, this page looks like it doesn't even need JS. It's comical how long it took to load.
  - dkarapetyan 10y ago
    Loads instantly for me. Might have something to do with your network or service provider.
    - Groxx 10y ago
      Spinner loads instantly for me. Everything else takes ~10 seconds. I'm on a 250 megabit connection. I haven't seen a page take this long to load in months. Once a particular page is visited, it does load quickly. But for new ones it's always the same experience. Unless they're buckling under load of some kind and this provides a fancy cache, it's pretty ridiculous. --- edit: decided to watch the network on a new page, http://wiki.c2.com/?LiterateProgramming http://wiki.c2.com/?LiterateProgramming for instance. Most everything downloaded in 10s of milliseconds, but the LiterateProgramming XHR request sat waiting for 6.5 seconds. Maybe they are struggling for some reason?
      - dkarapetyan 10y ago
        You're right. Took a while for me on that one but second time around loaded instantly.
  - shakna 10y ago
    Ward switched to using his project, Smallest Federated Wiki, which basically doesn't do a thing without JS. In fact, if I remember correctly, the slow load times are because it loads the entire wiki tree in the background to make linking easier for the engine... But a worse experience for the user.
cryptarch 10y ago
Hi, I'm working on a static renderer for the c2 source json, AMA. I'll be hosting a mirror (I think the license allows for that but I'll have to check) and then integrating it with the one hosted on the original domain. I also kind of want yo set up some kind of edge caching static rendering with loose constraints on how up-to-date pages need to be (because the point is providing a read-only Lynx/CURL experience), but I think this might end up being too much work technically or politically.
- yxhuvud 10y ago
  Thanks for the great work keeping c2 online! It really is a treasure trove of experience from the old ones.
  - cryptarch 10y ago
    I'm more of an outside contributor motivated by my strong dislike of the new side, but sure :)
stewbrew 10y ago
It really seems they time jumped from 1995 to 2016 but made it even worse.
thomasahle 10y ago
I gave up after 60 seconds on LTE.
crncosta 10y ago
The page is not loading... even the cached version from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ is not loading! I am really frustrated with the new c2.com pages :P
NoGravitas 10y ago
On my browser (up-to-date Firefox with uBlock Origin), I can load pages from links from other sites (about 5 seconds to load SoftwareMasterpiece), but trying to follow links within the site gives me nothing but a spinner, no matter how long I wait. I don't feel this is what Wiki was meant to be.
dang 10y ago
Those pages are loading instantly for me at present, but even if they were slow, your comment is far too uncharitable to make for a good HN post. Physically angry? Come on—it's a single programmer's project from decades ago. He's probably tackling the problem of upgrading it by himself. The last thing he needs (or we, for that matter) is an angry chorus of internet entitlement. If you're hot under the collar, please cool down before commenting here.

sgift 10y ago

For a moment I thought this was another of the "meh, it uses JS, I want to surf with my Lynx!!!!" rants but wow that page is really slow. I only counted 9 secs for the original page and 11 secs for your link, still ... for a bit of text? Not even an image? What are they doing? setTimeout before they show the HTML? Edit: opening the same link again is instant. Weird.

jazoom 10y ago
Ironically, this page looks like it doesn't even need JS. It's comical how long it took to load.
- dkarapetyan 10y ago
  Loads instantly for me. Might have something to do with your network or service provider.
  - Groxx 10y ago
    Spinner loads instantly for me. Everything else takes ~10 seconds. I'm on a 250 megabit connection. I haven't seen a page take this long to load in months. Once a particular page is visited, it does load quickly. But for new ones it's always the same experience. Unless they're buckling under load of some kind and this provides a fancy cache, it's pretty ridiculous. --- edit: decided to watch the network on a new page, http://wiki.c2.com/?LiterateProgramming http://wiki.c2.com/?LiterateProgramming for instance. Most everything downloaded in 10s of milliseconds, but the LiterateProgramming XHR request sat waiting for 6.5 seconds. Maybe they are struggling for some reason?
    - dkarapetyan 10y ago
      You're right. Took a while for me on that one but second time around loaded instantly.
- shakna 10y ago
  Ward switched to using his project, Smallest Federated Wiki, which basically doesn't do a thing without JS. In fact, if I remember correctly, the slow load times are because it loads the entire wiki tree in the background to make linking easier for the engine... But a worse experience for the user.

cryptarch 10y ago

Hi, I'm working on a static renderer for the c2 source json, AMA. I'll be hosting a mirror (I think the license allows for that but I'll have to check) and then integrating it with the one hosted on the original domain. I also kind of want yo set up some kind of edge caching static rendering with loose constraints on how up-to-date pages need to be (because the point is providing a read-only Lynx/CURL experience), but I think this might end up being too much work technically or politically.

yxhuvud 10y ago
Thanks for the great work keeping c2 online! It really is a treasure trove of experience from the old ones.
- cryptarch 10y ago
  I'm more of an outside contributor motivated by my strong dislike of the new side, but sure :)

stewbrew 10y ago

It really seems they time jumped from 1995 to 2016 but made it even worse.

thomasahle 10y ago

I gave up after 60 seconds on LTE.

crncosta 10y ago

The page is not loading... even the cached version from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ is not loading! I am really frustrated with the new c2.com pages :P

NoGravitas 10y ago

On my browser (up-to-date Firefox with uBlock Origin), I can load pages from links from other sites (about 5 seconds to load SoftwareMasterpiece), but trying to follow links within the site gives me nothing but a spinner, no matter how long I wait. I don't feel this is what Wiki was meant to be.

dang 10y ago

Those pages are loading instantly for me at present, but even if they were slow, your comment is far too uncharitable to make for a good HN post. Physically angry? Come on—it's a single programmer's project from decades ago. He's probably tackling the problem of upgrading it by himself. The last thing he needs (or we, for that matter) is an angry chorus of internet entitlement. If you're hot under the collar, please cool down before commenting here.