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Perhaps someone in the EU bears this in mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust The 'Final

by vixen99 10y ago

Perhaps someone in the EU bears this in mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust The 'Final Solution' was facilitated by knowing who everyone was and where they could be found. The technology at that time happened to be the Hollerith Punched Card system.

kuschku 10y ago
Well, the go-to example is usually the Netherlands (they had a central registry of all Jews, so the Nazis invaded, and managed to eradicate almost all in mere weeks), but yes. And the StaSi, with constant surveillance of everyone in East Germany, also is still in collective memory, and another reason why no one wants that much surveillance (although acceptance for surveillance went up since the Berlin attacks, quite a bit, actually).
- bogomipz 10y ago
  I went to the Stasi Museum recently. And I remember thinking if you traded the physical surveillance(a man in a van) for the now near ubiquitous security cameras, both the US and the UK are on par with the surveillance state that was the former East Germany. Albeit a much more technologically advanced one. It's a sad irony. What is the evidence that acceptance of being surveilled went up since the attacks? Opinion polls? Newly proposed legislation? Germany seems to be the bastion of privacy advocation these days so I am curious to hear. I hope that Germany resists letting politicians exploit a heightened emotional state such what exists while the country is grieving a terrible tragedy. I had never heard this before about the Netherlands and the registry. Do you know why they would have had such a registry?
  - kuschku 10y ago
    Opinion polls show that after a few days of searching for the attacker unsuccessfully, which could ahve easily been solved if we knew what he looked like (surveillance), the support for more surveillance went up. And no, I don't know much about why the Netherlands had such a registry — just that they did.

by vixen99 10y ago

kuschku 10y ago

Well, the go-to example is usually the Netherlands (they had a central registry of all Jews, so the Nazis invaded, and managed to eradicate almost all in mere weeks), but yes. And the StaSi, with constant surveillance of everyone in East Germany, also is still in collective memory, and another reason why no one wants that much surveillance (although acceptance for surveillance went up since the Berlin attacks, quite a bit, actually).

bogomipz 10y ago
I went to the Stasi Museum recently. And I remember thinking if you traded the physical surveillance(a man in a van) for the now near ubiquitous security cameras, both the US and the UK are on par with the surveillance state that was the former East Germany. Albeit a much more technologically advanced one. It's a sad irony. What is the evidence that acceptance of being surveilled went up since the attacks? Opinion polls? Newly proposed legislation? Germany seems to be the bastion of privacy advocation these days so I am curious to hear. I hope that Germany resists letting politicians exploit a heightened emotional state such what exists while the country is grieving a terrible tragedy. I had never heard this before about the Netherlands and the registry. Do you know why they would have had such a registry?
- kuschku 10y ago
  Opinion polls show that after a few days of searching for the attacker unsuccessfully, which could ahve easily been solved if we knew what he looked like (surveillance), the support for more surveillance went up. And no, I don't know much about why the Netherlands had such a registry — just that they did.