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It is not wrong when you benefit from it. This is a human trait, people do not see the wrong on the things you benefit from. For example, did you ate beef or

by pipio21 10y ago

It is not wrong when you benefit from it. This is a human trait, people do not see the wrong on the things you benefit from. For example, did you ate beef or fish lately? When was the last time you thought about the animals that were killed in order for you to eat them. Have you seen the sacrifice of an animal needed for eating it. In Mongolia or Middle East nomads will sacrifice the animal in front of you before eating so you know what you eat is the best they have. Imagine that cows were able to think like humans, and remember what you did to their veal. As a children I worked feeding cows and they are not as stupid as people believe, and they like horses have emotions and personalities like humans have. When humans personally benefit from something it is very easy to just rationalize it. Humans rationalize everything. Workers on facebook are multimillionaires that are pretty happy about their life becoming the new central intelligence of the World. They will rationalize it as a good thing focusing on this service being needed and useful for the world, as it is. The problem is that even when the best of intentions, Governments, and secret services of countries want to use this service for nefarious purposes in the same way that if you centralize money in one place, some people want to take it by force if necessary, if you place too much personal information in some place, some people will want to take it for their own use.

ForrestN 10y ago
Ironically I'm a vegetarian for just these reasons. I don't say that because I'm perfect (I am not yet fully vegan, for example) but because I do take ethics seriously. Maybe we do rationalize too often, but shouldn't we still try to work against that impulse? The fact that something unethical benefits me generally makes me more upset, not less upset.
- laughingman2 10y ago
  Thats great of you, I am vegetarian by birth, became vegan by choice , Even in vegetarian people rationalise when they come to terms with messy aspects of dairy farming. The question of ethics is weighing hard on me, even normally rational people who talk about human rights etc turn off their ethical circuits when question of meat comes up .. I think this points to a deeper question of how rationalising can affect morality .. Does average human consider their wants above ethics he seems to subscribe? , why is hypocricy not making many upset? Many won't consider themselves as beings who put only themselves above others, they cry out for morality, but when question of ethical boundaries they themselves cross, it becomes question of rationalisation. One has to really ponder, did a slaver in the past (sad that its not that ancient) who cared about ethics of his fellows , rationalised away his slavery? If people really thing about this in terms of past people rationalising stuff away, if they feel upset about that, maybe it will lead to them thinking about ethical problems they too rationalise away
hueving 10y ago
>This is a human trait, people do not see the wrong on the things you benefit from. No, people very frequently do see that things have downsides. Only idiots think in black and white of 'right' and 'wrong'. For example, you just commented on a site that requires electricity to operate. This usage induces electrical demand and you have therefore contributed to global warming and assisted in killing polar bears. Will you choose to kill more polar bears to respond to me, or do you think it's not that simplistic now? >Workers on facebook are multimillionaires that are pretty happy about their life There are tons of people that work at facebook that are not millionaires at all. Most hires at facebook today are making standard SV salaries that could be made working for other companies.
rimantas 10y ago
> When was the last time you thought about the animals > that were killed in order for you to eat them. I don't think of them often but I grew on the farm so I could witness (and sometimes particpate) in the whole process. I see nothing wrong with that. I could even see more wrong in the attitude where people become veg(etari)ans for "ethical reasons". That's some fucked-up ethics, if you ask me.
- vincnetas 10y ago
  Why it's fucked-up? If i feel bad eating an animal and i can live without eating one, what's wrong with that? <edit> (Hello from LT.)
- Chos89 10y ago
  So you think people who avoid unnecessary killing are ethically fucked up? Hitler, is that you?
walterstucco 10y ago
cows are even more stupid than you think. Your view probably comes from interacting with them as a child, being not very smart yourself. I've grown up in the italian country farming animals and I've seen cows stupidity literally kill them.
- Chos89 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38nFsZyY8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38nFsZyY8Q

by pipio21 10y ago

ForrestN 10y ago

Ironically I'm a vegetarian for just these reasons. I don't say that because I'm perfect (I am not yet fully vegan, for example) but because I do take ethics seriously. Maybe we do rationalize too often, but shouldn't we still try to work against that impulse? The fact that something unethical benefits me generally makes me more upset, not less upset.

laughingman2 10y ago
Thats great of you, I am vegetarian by birth, became vegan by choice , Even in vegetarian people rationalise when they come to terms with messy aspects of dairy farming. The question of ethics is weighing hard on me, even normally rational people who talk about human rights etc turn off their ethical circuits when question of meat comes up .. I think this points to a deeper question of how rationalising can affect morality .. Does average human consider their wants above ethics he seems to subscribe? , why is hypocricy not making many upset? Many won't consider themselves as beings who put only themselves above others, they cry out for morality, but when question of ethical boundaries they themselves cross, it becomes question of rationalisation. One has to really ponder, did a slaver in the past (sad that its not that ancient) who cared about ethics of his fellows , rationalised away his slavery? If people really thing about this in terms of past people rationalising stuff away, if they feel upset about that, maybe it will lead to them thinking about ethical problems they too rationalise away

hueving 10y ago

>This is a human trait, people do not see the wrong on the things you benefit from. No, people very frequently do see that things have downsides. Only idiots think in black and white of 'right' and 'wrong'. For example, you just commented on a site that requires electricity to operate. This usage induces electrical demand and you have therefore contributed to global warming and assisted in killing polar bears. Will you choose to kill more polar bears to respond to me, or do you think it's not that simplistic now? >Workers on facebook are multimillionaires that are pretty happy about their life There are tons of people that work at facebook that are not millionaires at all. Most hires at facebook today are making standard SV salaries that could be made working for other companies.

rimantas 10y ago

> When was the last time you thought about the animals > that were killed in order for you to eat them. I don't think of them often but I grew on the farm so I could witness (and sometimes particpate) in the whole process. I see nothing wrong with that. I could even see more wrong in the attitude where people become veg(etari)ans for "ethical reasons". That's some fucked-up ethics, if you ask me.

vincnetas 10y ago
Why it's fucked-up? If i feel bad eating an animal and i can live without eating one, what's wrong with that? <edit> (Hello from LT.)
Chos89 10y ago
So you think people who avoid unnecessary killing are ethically fucked up? Hitler, is that you?

walterstucco 10y ago

cows are even more stupid than you think. Your view probably comes from interacting with them as a child, being not very smart yourself. I've grown up in the italian country farming animals and I've seen cows stupidity literally kill them.

Chos89 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38nFsZyY8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38nFsZyY8Q