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I believe they mean Latino and Black students, which are underrepresented. NACME for instance, is trying to get a engineering racial makeup much more similar to

by gte910h 17y ago

I believe they mean Latino and Black students, which are underrepresented. NACME for instance, is trying to get a engineering racial makeup much more similar to that of the US at large. http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 And while many of the sub-continent students (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) would love to stay, many of them are foreign nationals, and will likely have to leave (or choose to).

hugh3 17y ago
So out of all the hundreds of minorities, only the two biggest minorities count as "minorities"? I love US racial doublespeak circa 2010.
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_delirium 17y ago
There's even more underrepresentation of African-Americans, which doesn't seem to be counted--- a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students. There might be some benefit to it, but it seems that the goal of affirmative action (remedy U.S. racial inequality) is probably not greatly served by increasing opportunities for people who are black, but are also sons of Nigerian cabinet ministers and millionaires.
- gte910h 17y ago
  Affluent black Africans (Nigerians and a Kenyan) and the daughter of white South Africans are actually why I say "black" instead of "African American" these days, as both groups objected to the term. The underrepresented groups are correctly, American born descendants of former slaves who are identifiable as black, and Hispanics of darker skin tone. But man, is that a mouthful to say. "a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students" I don't think it's a conspiracy as you're putting it. I think they just happen to come out better qualified for various reasons ($$ helps a lot), and happen to have the correct skin tone to take advantage of any remaining quota or aid social programs designed for the American born descendants of former slaves.
  - _delirium 17y ago
    Yeah, I didn't mean it as a conspiracy, just that the incentives aren't lined up to enact what I take to be affirmative action's main purpose. The goal is to remedy a wrong suffered by a certain group, but because of the way the stats are calculated, it serves in large part to benefit some other group (which is generally affluent and not very oppressed).

by gte910h 17y ago

hugh3 17y ago

So out of all the hundreds of minorities, only the two biggest minorities count as "minorities"? I love US racial doublespeak circa 2010.

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_delirium 17y ago

There's even more underrepresentation of African-Americans, which doesn't seem to be counted--- a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students. There might be some benefit to it, but it seems that the goal of affirmative action (remedy U.S. racial inequality) is probably not greatly served by increasing opportunities for people who are black, but are also sons of Nigerian cabinet ministers and millionaires.

gte910h 17y ago
Affluent black Africans (Nigerians and a Kenyan) and the daughter of white South Africans are actually why I say "black" instead of "African American" these days, as both groups objected to the term. The underrepresented groups are correctly, American born descendants of former slaves who are identifiable as black, and Hispanics of darker skin tone. But man, is that a mouthful to say. "a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students" I don't think it's a conspiracy as you're putting it. I think they just happen to come out better qualified for various reasons ($$ helps a lot), and happen to have the correct skin tone to take advantage of any remaining quota or aid social programs designed for the American born descendants of former slaves.
- _delirium 17y ago
  Yeah, I didn't mean it as a conspiracy, just that the incentives aren't lined up to enact what I take to be affirmative action's main purpose. The goal is to remedy a wrong suffered by a certain group, but because of the way the stats are calculated, it serves in large part to benefit some other group (which is generally affluent and not very oppressed).