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This article has a glaring logic flaw. After COLA, Asians and Whites show roughly the same median household income. But among minorities, Asians still have high

This article has a glaring logic flaw. After COLA, Asians and Whites show roughly the same median household income. But among minorities, Asians still have higher median household incomes than their Black and Hispanic counterparts. The author barely makes an attempt explain why this is the case. Doesn't the data just reinforce the perception that Asians are the model minority? So what the article should have said, is after COLA, Asians still have an "advantage" over Blacks and Hispanics. But the illusion is that they don't do better than Whites, they perform the same. Which is not the illusion most people had in mind.

Spooky23 10y ago
The problem is that those racial categories aren't very well aligned with anything. In 1816, this article would talk about how the Irish were a bunch of turds. If you look at "asians" you're looking at mostly confuscian based cultures and various Indian ethnicities, mostly admitted for residency for work purposes. "Hispanic" in particular is any of a dozen different distinct cultures. Statistically, hispanics are an overlay grafted on top of whatever other category you're bickered in -- sort of like how Jewish culture transcends nationality. A consultant from Spain and a mestizo immigrant from Guatemala picking tomatoes are the same, but have little to do with each other at all. I would assert that if you dig deeper into data you'd find that Asian ethnic groups are pulling ahead as a cohort in many ways in the same manner that the white ethnic societies did for white immigrant groups 100 years ago. The old boys club is shifting.
- mattnewton 10y ago
  This, exactly this. "Asian american" immigrant family's disproportionately come here on work visas. This is a socioeconomic effect and afaik has very little to do with race.
bluedino 10y ago
People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians like they do for blacks and hispanics. People assume they are intelligent. When an Asian man walks down the street, white peoples don't cross to the other side like when they encounter a black man. If you see an Asian in a BMW people assume they are a doctor or engineer, if you see a black person in a BMW, people assume they are a drug dealer, the car is stolen, or they play professional sports.
- chimeracoder 10y ago
  > People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians like they do for blacks and hispanics They absolutely, absolutely do have negative stereotypes towards Asians. There are a different set of negative stereotypes (and in fact, different stereotypes for East Asians, South Asians, and West Asians), but there very much are negative stereotypes towards those groups. The effect of these stereotypes is sometimes mitigated by the fact that Asians, unlike African-Americans, largely came to the US (a) of their own free will, and (b) on work visas which explicitly bias selection in favor of previous wealth and education status. But on the other hand, in other cases, the effect of these stereotypes is enhanced by this difference as well - it depends on the situation in which they manifest.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  > People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians yes they do.

Spooky23 10y ago

The problem is that those racial categories aren't very well aligned with anything. In 1816, this article would talk about how the Irish were a bunch of turds. If you look at "asians" you're looking at mostly confuscian based cultures and various Indian ethnicities, mostly admitted for residency for work purposes. "Hispanic" in particular is any of a dozen different distinct cultures. Statistically, hispanics are an overlay grafted on top of whatever other category you're bickered in -- sort of like how Jewish culture transcends nationality. A consultant from Spain and a mestizo immigrant from Guatemala picking tomatoes are the same, but have little to do with each other at all. I would assert that if you dig deeper into data you'd find that Asian ethnic groups are pulling ahead as a cohort in many ways in the same manner that the white ethnic societies did for white immigrant groups 100 years ago. The old boys club is shifting.

mattnewton 10y ago
This, exactly this. "Asian american" immigrant family's disproportionately come here on work visas. This is a socioeconomic effect and afaik has very little to do with race.

bluedino 10y ago

People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians like they do for blacks and hispanics. People assume they are intelligent. When an Asian man walks down the street, white peoples don't cross to the other side like when they encounter a black man. If you see an Asian in a BMW people assume they are a doctor or engineer, if you see a black person in a BMW, people assume they are a drug dealer, the car is stolen, or they play professional sports.

chimeracoder 10y ago
> People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians like they do for blacks and hispanics They absolutely, absolutely do have negative stereotypes towards Asians. There are a different set of negative stereotypes (and in fact, different stereotypes for East Asians, South Asians, and West Asians), but there very much are negative stereotypes towards those groups. The effect of these stereotypes is sometimes mitigated by the fact that Asians, unlike African-Americans, largely came to the US (a) of their own free will, and (b) on work visas which explicitly bias selection in favor of previous wealth and education status. But on the other hand, in other cases, the effect of these stereotypes is enhanced by this difference as well - it depends on the situation in which they manifest.
beachstartup 10y ago
> People don't have negative stereotypes towards Asians yes they do.