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I mean, you're talking about the campaign of a person who was running while being investigated for circumventing security procedures. Regardless of what you th

by ep103 10y ago

I mean, you're talking about the campaign of a person who was running while being investigated for circumventing security procedures. Regardless of what you think about those topics or their validity, is it that surprising that the campaign wasn't up to par on the security front?

koube 10y ago
The RNC was hacked as well, although they similarly circumvented the same security procedures.
- jamiesonbecker 10y ago
  That the RNC was also hacked seems to be a popular, but probably false, meme. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/smerconish-spicer-hacked-russian/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/smerconish-spicer-hac...
  - koube 10y ago
    Belief in this will likely depend on who someone trusts more, spokespersons for the RNC, or the New York Times and the Washington Post.
    - mSparks 10y ago
      Being able to read a bit of Russian helps too. Man them parties in the Kremlin these past few weeks. Truly epic. Хотите водки?
    - makomk 10y ago
      From the New York Times article: "One senior government official, who had been briefed on an F.B.I. investigation into the matter, said that while there were attempts to penetrate the Republican committee’s systems, they were not successful." From the WaPo: "U.S. officials said the Republican National Committee’s computer systems were also probed and possibly penetrated by hackers tied to Russian intelligence services, but that it remains unclear how much material — if any — was taken from the RNC." There were a number of significant caveats in the NYT and WaPo reporting of this that people have ignored because it confirms their existing assumptions. Probably by design; it lets the papers push their preferred narratives whilst giving them something to fall back on if it turns out not to be true.
      - mSparks 10y ago
        My other post is flagged and downvoted by well, yeah, I'll keep it civil despite them. But the point was, The russian hacker forums are orders of magnitude better than anything offered in English, and virtually every single one has made no secret (other than you need to read Russian) that they were working hard all year to get Trump "elected". From spreading rumours, distributing any dirt they could elicit, to boots on the ground playing with the voting machines. There was even talk of cash incentives from George Soros and Peter Thiel. WaPo and NYT undoubtably have journalists that both read Russian and Frequent such forums. But it will be a while before they get the courage to go public with just how much US infrastructure is now completely pwned by the Ruskies. RNC and DNC only made headlines because some of the haul got sent to wikileaks aka FVEY. My personal opinion is "America" deserves it for all the effort they put into making systems insecure.
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tootie 10y ago
You're conflating 2 different stories. HRC had no say over how the DNC ran their email nor were they subject to any special regulation as a private organization. Although it's been widely speculated there's yet no proof that HRC's private email server was ever hacked.

by ep103 10y ago

koube 10y ago

The RNC was hacked as well, although they similarly circumvented the same security procedures.

jamiesonbecker 10y ago
That the RNC was also hacked seems to be a popular, but probably false, meme. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/smerconish-spicer-hacked-russian/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/smerconish-spicer-hac...
- koube 10y ago
  Belief in this will likely depend on who someone trusts more, spokespersons for the RNC, or the New York Times and the Washington Post.
  - mSparks 10y ago
    Being able to read a bit of Russian helps too. Man them parties in the Kremlin these past few weeks. Truly epic. Хотите водки?
  - makomk 10y ago
    From the New York Times article: "One senior government official, who had been briefed on an F.B.I. investigation into the matter, said that while there were attempts to penetrate the Republican committee’s systems, they were not successful." From the WaPo: "U.S. officials said the Republican National Committee’s computer systems were also probed and possibly penetrated by hackers tied to Russian intelligence services, but that it remains unclear how much material — if any — was taken from the RNC." There were a number of significant caveats in the NYT and WaPo reporting of this that people have ignored because it confirms their existing assumptions. Probably by design; it lets the papers push their preferred narratives whilst giving them something to fall back on if it turns out not to be true.
    - mSparks 10y ago
      My other post is flagged and downvoted by well, yeah, I'll keep it civil despite them. But the point was, The russian hacker forums are orders of magnitude better than anything offered in English, and virtually every single one has made no secret (other than you need to read Russian) that they were working hard all year to get Trump "elected". From spreading rumours, distributing any dirt they could elicit, to boots on the ground playing with the voting machines. There was even talk of cash incentives from George Soros and Peter Thiel. WaPo and NYT undoubtably have journalists that both read Russian and Frequent such forums. But it will be a while before they get the courage to go public with just how much US infrastructure is now completely pwned by the Ruskies. RNC and DNC only made headlines because some of the haul got sent to wikileaks aka FVEY. My personal opinion is "America" deserves it for all the effort they put into making systems insecure.
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tootie 10y ago

You're conflating 2 different stories. HRC had no say over how the DNC ran their email nor were they subject to any special regulation as a private organization. Although it's been widely speculated there's yet no proof that HRC's private email server was ever hacked.