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Are you upset that he is accusing Russia of cyberattacks, or that he's doing something about it?

by legohead 10y ago

vetinari 10y ago
A good start would be to provide some evidence. For now, it's the same 'trust us, the Iraqis have WMDs' again.
- empath75 10y ago
  That report is due in january.
  - vetinari 10y ago
    So keep the accusations private until you can present the evidence together with the accusations. Otherwise, it is you massaging the public opinion and the report won't matter anyway.
    - rqebmm 10y ago
      There's already public evidence. Circumstantial evidence, but evidence nonetheless.
- deleted 10y ago
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dv_dt 10y ago
I am disappointed that as a nation our intelligence and security agencies keep trying to undercut good security practices by asking for backdoor spying exceptions on it's own citizens, and when 'security' is breached for people in the ruling class - only then is action taken, but only then as a big flag-waving saber-rattling distraction instead of any sort of fundamental addressing of the flaws in national security strategy.
tomohawk 10y ago
The OPM hacks did far more damage to the country, but Obama's reaction was - nothing. It was only when some elites of his own party got some egg on their face that he reacted.
- rqebmm 10y ago
  > Obama's reaction was - nothing Nothing publicly. There was a public reaction to this issue because when "some elites of his own party got egg on their face" it was front page news for months that potentially effected the integrity of our election process. The OPM hacks were a disaster in terms of information security, but disappeared in a few news cycles because it didn't effect everyday citizens and had nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy.
  - tomohawk 10y ago
    Are you kidding? Getting the inside scoop on a very large chunk of the federal workforce has "nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy"? This is nothing short of an act of war. What do you think will happen to the US if suddenly a large number of people in the federal workforce wake up to no money in the bank? Do you think the government will be able to respond effectively to whatever crisis (likely involving China) is going on? If you have some evidence that Obama did something then present it. If not, just wishful thinking.
    - rqebmm 10y ago
      > Getting the inside scoop on a very large chunk of the federal workforce has "nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy"? Yes. It has nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy. It absolutely has to do with the fundamentals of our government, but how we elect that government is not directly effected. >If you have some evidence that Obama did something then present it. If not, just wishful thinking. I obviously have no evidence, but I think it's more educated guess than wishful thinking considering that high level government officials have publicly said that's the M.O. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/biden-hints-at-us-response-to-cyberattacks-blamed-on-russia.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/biden-hints-at...

Are you upset that he is accusing Russia of cyberattacks, or that he's doing something about it?

vetinari 10y ago

A good start would be to provide some evidence. For now, it's the same 'trust us, the Iraqis have WMDs' again.

empath75 10y ago
That report is due in january.
- vetinari 10y ago
  So keep the accusations private until you can present the evidence together with the accusations. Otherwise, it is you massaging the public opinion and the report won't matter anyway.
  - rqebmm 10y ago
    There's already public evidence. Circumstantial evidence, but evidence nonetheless.
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dv_dt 10y ago

I am disappointed that as a nation our intelligence and security agencies keep trying to undercut good security practices by asking for backdoor spying exceptions on it's own citizens, and when 'security' is breached for people in the ruling class - only then is action taken, but only then as a big flag-waving saber-rattling distraction instead of any sort of fundamental addressing of the flaws in national security strategy.

tomohawk 10y ago

The OPM hacks did far more damage to the country, but Obama's reaction was - nothing. It was only when some elites of his own party got some egg on their face that he reacted.

rqebmm 10y ago
> Obama's reaction was - nothing Nothing publicly. There was a public reaction to this issue because when "some elites of his own party got egg on their face" it was front page news for months that potentially effected the integrity of our election process. The OPM hacks were a disaster in terms of information security, but disappeared in a few news cycles because it didn't effect everyday citizens and had nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy.
- tomohawk 10y ago
  Are you kidding? Getting the inside scoop on a very large chunk of the federal workforce has "nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy"? This is nothing short of an act of war. What do you think will happen to the US if suddenly a large number of people in the federal workforce wake up to no money in the bank? Do you think the government will be able to respond effectively to whatever crisis (likely involving China) is going on? If you have some evidence that Obama did something then present it. If not, just wishful thinking.
  - rqebmm 10y ago
    > Getting the inside scoop on a very large chunk of the federal workforce has "nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy"? Yes. It has nothing to do with the fundamentals of our democracy. It absolutely has to do with the fundamentals of our government, but how we elect that government is not directly effected. >If you have some evidence that Obama did something then present it. If not, just wishful thinking. I obviously have no evidence, but I think it's more educated guess than wishful thinking considering that high level government officials have publicly said that's the M.O. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/biden-hints-at-us-response-to-cyberattacks-blamed-on-russia.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/biden-hints-at...