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Which is why I wouldn't trust any of the traditional car makers with their "self-driving cars" over the next decade...or two.

by mtgx 10y ago

GVIrish 10y ago
Don't trust the Silicon Valley 'break the rules until you're forced to stop' types either. The traditional car makers are much more likely to be very deliberate and methodical about the tremendous variability in conditions that a self-driving car has to succeed in. On the other side you have guys like George Hotz who had a reporter in the car with him when he turned on the self-driving system he had only gotten working that morning..
- pzh 10y ago
  > On the other side you have guys like George Hotz who had a reporter in the car with him when he turned on the self-driving system he had only gotten working that morning.. Do you think that's actually true? I thought it was just something that George Hotz misguidedly said for dramatic effect...
  - GVIrish 10y ago
    I hope he was being dramatic but judging from how he responded to the NHTSA letter he received and his general disregard for regulations I have to take him at his word.
__derek__ 10y ago
Do you have reason to believe that they treat their software engineers poorly? I know people who work on software at Ford and GM, and they seem to enjoy it. Plus, just based on Glassdoor[1][2], the salaries seem pretty good relative to cost of living. Edit: On another read-through, my comment is a non sequitur. The Big Three are just so intertwined with automakers in my mind that it was hard to shake the association, even knowing that this article is about Japanese car companies. [1]: Software Engineers at Ford: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Ford-Motor-Company-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E263_D_KO19,36.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Ford-Motor-Company-Software... [2]: Software Engineers at GM: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E279_D_KO15,32.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Eng... // Software Developers (not sure about the title difference) at GM: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Developer-Salaries-E279_D_KO15,33.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Dev...
user5994461 10y ago
The offensive yet realistic version: SV is a bunch of 20 years old who'll overworked themselves to death to deliver a car made only with the latest shiniest tools (because that's all they know) that will crash after 5 minutes (quality, who gives a fuck in web development?). The traditional car maker will run on old stuff like they're used to, made by older people (experienced ex-SV folks who went back to their home state) who have a family and care about their children on the back seat not ending up in a tree with the car (quality or GTFO!), and they'll be delivered by their extensive network of dealership and partners around the world. Well. That is unless the traditional car maker is run by old guys who've been there for 20 years because that's the only job in town and they really don't have the experience to deliver anything nowadays. Looks like the first manufacturer to reconcile both workers generation along with industry experience will win. (That's no small feat).
- di4na 10y ago
  As someone that is inside a historic car manufacturer right now in IT : The latter. They have had 20 years of having nothing to deliver and reduction in budget. It shows. Engines and mechanical parts are good, mainly because it makes the car less expensive and help to keep up with pollution and security laws. And partly because if you are in that type of field, apart from a car manufacturer... who are you going to work for ? But for the tech part... forget it. Really.

Which is why I wouldn't trust any of the traditional car makers with their "self-driving cars" over the next decade...or two.

by mtgx 10y ago

Which is why I wouldn't trust any of the traditional car makers with their "self-driving cars" over the next decade...or two.

GVIrish 10y ago

Don't trust the Silicon Valley 'break the rules until you're forced to stop' types either. The traditional car makers are much more likely to be very deliberate and methodical about the tremendous variability in conditions that a self-driving car has to succeed in. On the other side you have guys like George Hotz who had a reporter in the car with him when he turned on the self-driving system he had only gotten working that morning..

pzh 10y ago
> On the other side you have guys like George Hotz who had a reporter in the car with him when he turned on the self-driving system he had only gotten working that morning.. Do you think that's actually true? I thought it was just something that George Hotz misguidedly said for dramatic effect...
- GVIrish 10y ago
  I hope he was being dramatic but judging from how he responded to the NHTSA letter he received and his general disregard for regulations I have to take him at his word.

__derek__ 10y ago

Do you have reason to believe that they treat their software engineers poorly? I know people who work on software at Ford and GM, and they seem to enjoy it. Plus, just based on Glassdoor[1][2], the salaries seem pretty good relative to cost of living. Edit: On another read-through, my comment is a non sequitur. The Big Three are just so intertwined with automakers in my mind that it was hard to shake the association, even knowing that this article is about Japanese car companies. [1]: Software Engineers at Ford: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Ford-Motor-Company-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E263_D_KO19,36.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Ford-Motor-Company-Software... [2]: Software Engineers at GM: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E279_D_KO15,32.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Eng... // Software Developers (not sure about the title difference) at GM: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Developer-Salaries-E279_D_KO15,33.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Software-Dev...

user5994461 10y ago

The offensive yet realistic version: SV is a bunch of 20 years old who'll overworked themselves to death to deliver a car made only with the latest shiniest tools (because that's all they know) that will crash after 5 minutes (quality, who gives a fuck in web development?). The traditional car maker will run on old stuff like they're used to, made by older people (experienced ex-SV folks who went back to their home state) who have a family and care about their children on the back seat not ending up in a tree with the car (quality or GTFO!), and they'll be delivered by their extensive network of dealership and partners around the world. Well. That is unless the traditional car maker is run by old guys who've been there for 20 years because that's the only job in town and they really don't have the experience to deliver anything nowadays. Looks like the first manufacturer to reconcile both workers generation along with industry experience will win. (That's no small feat).

di4na 10y ago
As someone that is inside a historic car manufacturer right now in IT : The latter. They have had 20 years of having nothing to deliver and reduction in budget. It shows. Engines and mechanical parts are good, mainly because it makes the car less expensive and help to keep up with pollution and security laws. And partly because if you are in that type of field, apart from a car manufacturer... who are you going to work for ? But for the tech part... forget it. Really.