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"Also, another issue is that there are thousands of different ways across all of the apps for how to interact with them. Some have "Quit" options, some have top

by bwat48 10y ago

"Also, another issue is that there are thousands of different ways across all of the apps for how to interact with them. Some have "Quit" options, some have top bars, some have icons everywhere. There isn't cohesion." How is that any different from Windows?

wears_sweaters1 10y ago
I cant think of any two Windows programs I use who's basic interaction varies as wildly as Linux program interaction can vary.
- franciscop 10y ago
  Aren't the ribbon menu in Word, the classic menu and the Chrome/Firefox "menu" button wildly different?
  - gravypod 10y ago
    Most users dislike the Ribbon menu. When I've setup systems for people, and family, and they requested "word" they are expecting this [0]. When they see the ribon menu they feel "I don't want to learn this, I already know word, this isn't word". The average user also doesn't open or change anythign in a browser. All they do is type into google. None the less they dislike those changes too. Cohesion is the most important thing in an enviroment. [0] - https://i-technet.sec.s-msft.com/dynimg/IC354367.jpg https://i-technet.sec.s-msft.com/dynimg/IC354367.jpg
    - franciscop 10y ago
      Oh sure, but those are still 3 different menu styles for Windows. I have never tried the ribbon thing but I think I wouldn't like it as a casual libreoffice user.
- Lintaris 10y ago
  Those programs were created with different toolkits. Such is life in the freedom of free software.
noxToken 10y ago
Three window modes in Windows: full screen, borderless and windowed. Full screen will take up the entirety of the current monitor with no menu bar. If the resolution of the app doesn't match the monitor, it will either skew the content (common) or add a black border (uncommon) to fill the unmatched window space. Removing focus from a full screen app will minimize it to the tray. Games and some video players are typically the only apps that use full screen. Borderless is the same as full screen, except the content will not be minimized if the app loses focuses. Text editors/IDEs in "distraction free" mode, full screen mode for browsers and games set to borderless are typical use cases for this mode. Windowed has three icons in the top right with minimize, restore/maximize, and exit always on the menu bar in that order. The menu bar is draggable. Double clicking the menu bar will maximize or restore down the application. The notable exception to inconsistent behavior is the exit button. It used to be that the exit button would cleanly shutdown the responsible process. Devs now sometimes input a menu option that makes the exit button close the window while leaving the process running in the background. The app still resides in the system tray. Apps with this behavior are usually communication software (Skype, Slack, ICQ) or something that processes data in the background where a main GUI isn't always needed.

by bwat48 10y ago

wears_sweaters1 10y ago

I cant think of any two Windows programs I use who's basic interaction varies as wildly as Linux program interaction can vary.

franciscop 10y ago
Aren't the ribbon menu in Word, the classic menu and the Chrome/Firefox "menu" button wildly different?
- gravypod 10y ago
  Most users dislike the Ribbon menu. When I've setup systems for people, and family, and they requested "word" they are expecting this [0]. When they see the ribon menu they feel "I don't want to learn this, I already know word, this isn't word". The average user also doesn't open or change anythign in a browser. All they do is type into google. None the less they dislike those changes too. Cohesion is the most important thing in an enviroment. [0] - https://i-technet.sec.s-msft.com/dynimg/IC354367.jpg https://i-technet.sec.s-msft.com/dynimg/IC354367.jpg
  - franciscop 10y ago
    Oh sure, but those are still 3 different menu styles for Windows. I have never tried the ribbon thing but I think I wouldn't like it as a casual libreoffice user.
Lintaris 10y ago
Those programs were created with different toolkits. Such is life in the freedom of free software.

noxToken 10y ago

Three window modes in Windows: full screen, borderless and windowed. Full screen will take up the entirety of the current monitor with no menu bar. If the resolution of the app doesn't match the monitor, it will either skew the content (common) or add a black border (uncommon) to fill the unmatched window space. Removing focus from a full screen app will minimize it to the tray. Games and some video players are typically the only apps that use full screen. Borderless is the same as full screen, except the content will not be minimized if the app loses focuses. Text editors/IDEs in "distraction free" mode, full screen mode for browsers and games set to borderless are typical use cases for this mode. Windowed has three icons in the top right with minimize, restore/maximize, and exit always on the menu bar in that order. The menu bar is draggable. Double clicking the menu bar will maximize or restore down the application. The notable exception to inconsistent behavior is the exit button. It used to be that the exit button would cleanly shutdown the responsible process. Devs now sometimes input a menu option that makes the exit button close the window while leaving the process running in the background. The app still resides in the system tray. Apps with this behavior are usually communication software (Skype, Slack, ICQ) or something that processes data in the background where a main GUI isn't always needed.