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>Perhaps you should spend some time teaching people about what they are really working with. Oh FFS. Look, if you give the overwhelming majority of people thi

by blhack 10y ago

>Perhaps you should spend some time teaching people about what they are really working with. Oh FFS. Look, if you give the overwhelming majority of people this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-lot-ESP8266-Wifi-Chip-with-SDIO-2-0-SPI-UART-Interface/32225358086.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-lot-ESP8266-Wifi-Chip-w... They aren't going to make anything. If you give them this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-ESP-12F-ESP-12E-upgrade-ESP8266-Remote-Serial-Port-WIFI-Wireless-Module/32714088769.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-ESP-12F-ESP-12E-upgrade... They are going to have a bad day because it doesn't have a programmer built onto it. If you give somebody this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/WEMOS-D1-mini-Pro-16M-bytes-external-antenna-connector-ESP8266-WIFI-Internet-of-Things-development-board/32724692514.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/WEMOS-D1-mini-Pro-16M-bytes-... They are going to install the arduino IDE, hook it to a USB cable, and make something. Are you technically pedantically and absolutely pointlessly correct that the ESP8266 chip is the important part of this to SOME people? Yes. But the people who are taking a bare chip in a freaking QFN package and building something around it, who have the equipment to mount it to a board, are not reading "$20 DIY cat feeder" articles, nor would they be in any way confused by somebody telling somebody to buy a prototyping board in an arduino-form-factor. Your "point" here is one that is completely irrelevant to anybody who would be reading it.

Alupis 10y ago
Nobody said buy a raw chip and give it to a newbie. You've stuffed a straw man just to further your point. The ESP8266 is in every ESP8266 based board. Your favorite ESP8266 based board just happens to be the D1 that comes with extra bells and whistles, such as a USB port. The point I originally made, that apparently started your tirade, was that the ESP8266 is the common chip that provides the capability people are looking for. They don't need to buy a D1 to get that capability, they can buy _ANY_ board with an ESP8266 inside! So long as it has an ESP8266 inside, they get the community support, IDE support, and WiFi support. If they want/need it, they can also get GPIO and directly program the ESP8266 inside, but that is _NOT_ required. You can plug any ESP8266-based board into another microcontroller and get WiFi connectivity through the serial pins. You've found the chip - now you just find the board. How do you not understand that? With that said, I feel this could go on forever... so... we're done.
- StavrosK 10y ago
  To agree with the GP, I've had dozens of people come up to me and ask me for a recommendation on what to buy "to make things with hardware". That's literally their description, and how much they know about the subject. The answer to that is "the WeMos D1 mini" Not once has someone asked me "what are various boards I can use if I want to program the ESP8266?". Literally zero times have I met someone who would know what to pick between all the different options and didn't know the term to search for on eBay.
- solidr53 10y ago
  Thank god, this guy should not be teaching anybody, anything.

by blhack 10y ago

Alupis 10y ago

Nobody said buy a raw chip and give it to a newbie. You've stuffed a straw man just to further your point. The ESP8266 is in every ESP8266 based board. Your favorite ESP8266 based board just happens to be the D1 that comes with extra bells and whistles, such as a USB port. The point I originally made, that apparently started your tirade, was that the ESP8266 is the common chip that provides the capability people are looking for. They don't need to buy a D1 to get that capability, they can buy _ANY_ board with an ESP8266 inside! So long as it has an ESP8266 inside, they get the community support, IDE support, and WiFi support. If they want/need it, they can also get GPIO and directly program the ESP8266 inside, but that is _NOT_ required. You can plug any ESP8266-based board into another microcontroller and get WiFi connectivity through the serial pins. You've found the chip - now you just find the board. How do you not understand that? With that said, I feel this could go on forever... so... we're done.

StavrosK 10y ago
To agree with the GP, I've had dozens of people come up to me and ask me for a recommendation on what to buy "to make things with hardware". That's literally their description, and how much they know about the subject. The answer to that is "the WeMos D1 mini" Not once has someone asked me "what are various boards I can use if I want to program the ESP8266?". Literally zero times have I met someone who would know what to pick between all the different options and didn't know the term to search for on eBay.
solidr53 10y ago
Thank god, this guy should not be teaching anybody, anything.