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It's rather shocking how much effect Udacity/Coursera had on interview performance - more than graduating from a top school or being employed at a top company:

It's rather shocking how much effect Udacity/Coursera had on interview performance - more than graduating from a top school or being employed at a top company: "...only 3 attributes emerged as statistically significant: top school, top company, and classes on Udacity/Coursera."

edblarney 10y ago
It's not just 'impact' it's 'correlation' (or both). Universities don't teach programming, so it's not surprising you don't get applied skills out of the box with a degree. 'Good courses' are focused directly on teaching specific programming skills. I think they are a good idea because learning programming by 'osmosis' (as you go along) can result in 'not knowing' a lot of key things, even when they are right in front of your face the whole time. Most importantly - people who are going to take the time to specifically learn new skills, are displaying the kind of conscientiousness that you want in your talent - learning the actual skills is another benefit of that.
- user5994461 10y ago
  > Universities don't teach programming, so it's not surprising you don't get applied skills out of the box with a degree. I disagree with this statement. Some universities teach programming, some not so much, some only need a Java 101 to graduate. There is a huge variance. We'd need a statistical analysis accounting for the quality of education given.
chewyshine 10y ago
It would be interesting to see if all 3 predictors of performance held up in a simultaneous regression. Most likely, the predictors are highly intercorrelated. If so, then only one or none would be significantly related to interview performance in a multiple regression analysis.
Alex3917 10y ago
> It's rather shocking how much effect Udacity/Coursera had on interview performance Having done Udacity and also taking a couple CS classes at Cornell, this doesn't surprise me at all. People who take Udacity classes are doing so voluntarily on their own time, so they are going to generally be smarter and of higher socioeconomic status. If you look at people who take CS classes over the summer at college when they don't have to be and when there are no student loans, you're going to get a similar population.
- joshvm 10y ago
  I don't buy the high socioeconomic status bit. MOOCs are hugely popular in countries like India where education is extremely competitive. I help run an international science camp for late-teenage kids. More and more we're seeing applicants who list the MOOCs that they've taken, and most often they're not from 'developed' countries. If anything the opposite is true. MOOCs have enabled vast swathes of economically challenged people to learn from high quality video material, whereas before they were limited to textbooks. The key is that these kids are absolutely determined. And similarly if you really want that job at one of the Big Four, you might also consider soaking up as much prep material as you could.
akhilcacharya 10y ago
Interviewing is a specific skill in itself that most people have to develop independently, so studying other things independently should be a strong correlation.
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serge2k 10y ago
I view it as evidence that their interviews are easily gamed. You cram in some algorithms knowledge and off you go.
ubernostrum 10y ago
Some schools, and now some bootcamps and online courses, include a separate unit on technical interviews, covering common types of problems and how to approach them and come off well. So this is unsurprising. The thing people should really be thinking about is why, "how to pass a tech interview" is considered a separate and unrelated skill from "how to code", given how many people claim their interview processes are supposed to separate people who can code from people who can't. (spoiler: it's because those interview processes don't accomplish their stated goal)
jupiter90000 10y ago
Why is it shocking? "I need to pass an interview where I'll be asked about specific technologies/algorithms/etc. I will take a free online course to memorize/rehearse that information before my interviews."
- notyourloops 10y ago
  In other words, those who prepare beforehand have more favorable outcomes than those who don't.

edblarney 10y ago

It's not just 'impact' it's 'correlation' (or both). Universities don't teach programming, so it's not surprising you don't get applied skills out of the box with a degree. 'Good courses' are focused directly on teaching specific programming skills. I think they are a good idea because learning programming by 'osmosis' (as you go along) can result in 'not knowing' a lot of key things, even when they are right in front of your face the whole time. Most importantly - people who are going to take the time to specifically learn new skills, are displaying the kind of conscientiousness that you want in your talent - learning the actual skills is another benefit of that.

user5994461 10y ago
> Universities don't teach programming, so it's not surprising you don't get applied skills out of the box with a degree. I disagree with this statement. Some universities teach programming, some not so much, some only need a Java 101 to graduate. There is a huge variance. We'd need a statistical analysis accounting for the quality of education given.

chewyshine 10y ago

It would be interesting to see if all 3 predictors of performance held up in a simultaneous regression. Most likely, the predictors are highly intercorrelated. If so, then only one or none would be significantly related to interview performance in a multiple regression analysis.

Alex3917 10y ago

> It's rather shocking how much effect Udacity/Coursera had on interview performance Having done Udacity and also taking a couple CS classes at Cornell, this doesn't surprise me at all. People who take Udacity classes are doing so voluntarily on their own time, so they are going to generally be smarter and of higher socioeconomic status. If you look at people who take CS classes over the summer at college when they don't have to be and when there are no student loans, you're going to get a similar population.

joshvm 10y ago
I don't buy the high socioeconomic status bit. MOOCs are hugely popular in countries like India where education is extremely competitive. I help run an international science camp for late-teenage kids. More and more we're seeing applicants who list the MOOCs that they've taken, and most often they're not from 'developed' countries. If anything the opposite is true. MOOCs have enabled vast swathes of economically challenged people to learn from high quality video material, whereas before they were limited to textbooks. The key is that these kids are absolutely determined. And similarly if you really want that job at one of the Big Four, you might also consider soaking up as much prep material as you could.

akhilcacharya 10y ago

Interviewing is a specific skill in itself that most people have to develop independently, so studying other things independently should be a strong correlation.

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serge2k 10y ago

I view it as evidence that their interviews are easily gamed. You cram in some algorithms knowledge and off you go.

ubernostrum 10y ago

Some schools, and now some bootcamps and online courses, include a separate unit on technical interviews, covering common types of problems and how to approach them and come off well. So this is unsurprising. The thing people should really be thinking about is why, "how to pass a tech interview" is considered a separate and unrelated skill from "how to code", given how many people claim their interview processes are supposed to separate people who can code from people who can't. (spoiler: it's because those interview processes don't accomplish their stated goal)

jupiter90000 10y ago

Why is it shocking? "I need to pass an interview where I'll be asked about specific technologies/algorithms/etc. I will take a free online course to memorize/rehearse that information before my interviews."

notyourloops 10y ago
In other words, those who prepare beforehand have more favorable outcomes than those who don't.