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"... Our logos are all pink and that is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. It's friendly but it walks the line between the serious issues and gathering to have fun. .

"... Our logos are all pink and that is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. It's friendly but it walks the line between the serious issues and gathering to have fun. ..." This is an interesting point. One of the quickest way to stop women according to "Sapna Cheryan" (Uni.Washington) is "You can get a message about whether you want to join a certain group just by seeing the physical environment that that group is associated with," For men, it was reported, decor made no difference.[0] "... "The feminist movement was incredibly important to people like my mum who had to argue with people like my programming teacher so that I could stay in my course," explained Judith Lewis ..." That is really sad. [0] Wired, Lisa Grossman, "Star Trek Stops Women From Becoming Computer Scientists" ~ http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/star-trek-keeps-women-computer-science/#ixzz0nF5aekTY http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/star-trek-keeps-wo...

_delirium 17y ago
I wonder how old Judith Lewis is, or if this varies by area and subject? My mom was a chemistry BS and MS major in the late 60s / early 70s, and she seems to think that when she started in 1966, there were a lot of "women don't belong in science" dinosaur professors, but by the early 1970s they were almost all gone, or at least had been "encouraged" into keeping quiet.
- yardie 17y ago
  Maybe they went into engineering. I started uni in the late 90s, the natural sciences already had a nice mix of men and women, except physics. Engineering was still a man's world even then. Then one of my professors dropped the proverbial bomb in class, declaring that "women don't belong in engineering". It was a fiasco for a little while, the university stated its disagreement but couldn't fire him. He retired a year later (the guy looked like he was on death's doorstop). The school has been trying, for years, to get more women and minorities into engineering but it's usually just a modest bump in good years, when they have money to actively search. Leaner times, like now, may mean small drop in an already small pool of viable candidates.
  - hugh3 17y ago
    more women and minorities into engineering More minorities into engineering? What school did you go to that the engineering classes weren't almost entirely Asian and/or Indian?
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    - gte910h 17y ago
      I believe they mean Latino and Black students, which are underrepresented. NACME for instance, is trying to get a engineering racial makeup much more similar to that of the US at large. http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 And while many of the sub-continent students (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) would love to stay, many of them are foreign nationals, and will likely have to leave (or choose to).
      - hugh3 17y ago
        So out of all the hundreds of minorities, only the two biggest minorities count as "minorities"? I love US racial doublespeak circa 2010.
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      - _delirium 17y ago
        There's even more underrepresentation of African-Americans, which doesn't seem to be counted--- a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students. There might be some benefit to it, but it seems that the goal of affirmative action (remedy U.S. racial inequality) is probably not greatly served by increasing opportunities for people who are black, but are also sons of Nigerian cabinet ministers and millionaires.
- randombit 17y ago
  Certainly not restricted entirely to sciences - my Mom got her BS around 1969; when she applied to law school, the secretary actually threw out her application because "Honey, if you want to meet lawyers [ie, to marry], just hang out in the law library, you don't actually have to go to the school." (She ended up getting an MLS instead, and loves being a librarian, so at least there's a happy ending to it)

_delirium 17y ago

I wonder how old Judith Lewis is, or if this varies by area and subject? My mom was a chemistry BS and MS major in the late 60s / early 70s, and she seems to think that when she started in 1966, there were a lot of "women don't belong in science" dinosaur professors, but by the early 1970s they were almost all gone, or at least had been "encouraged" into keeping quiet.

yardie 17y ago
Maybe they went into engineering. I started uni in the late 90s, the natural sciences already had a nice mix of men and women, except physics. Engineering was still a man's world even then. Then one of my professors dropped the proverbial bomb in class, declaring that "women don't belong in engineering". It was a fiasco for a little while, the university stated its disagreement but couldn't fire him. He retired a year later (the guy looked like he was on death's doorstop). The school has been trying, for years, to get more women and minorities into engineering but it's usually just a modest bump in good years, when they have money to actively search. Leaner times, like now, may mean small drop in an already small pool of viable candidates.
- hugh3 17y ago
  more women and minorities into engineering More minorities into engineering? What school did you go to that the engineering classes weren't almost entirely Asian and/or Indian?
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  - gte910h 17y ago
    I believe they mean Latino and Black students, which are underrepresented. NACME for instance, is trying to get a engineering racial makeup much more similar to that of the US at large. http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 http://www.nacme.org/NACME_D.aspx?pageid=96 And while many of the sub-continent students (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) would love to stay, many of them are foreign nationals, and will likely have to leave (or choose to).
    - hugh3 17y ago
      So out of all the hundreds of minorities, only the two biggest minorities count as "minorities"? I love US racial doublespeak circa 2010.
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    - _delirium 17y ago
      There's even more underrepresentation of African-Americans, which doesn't seem to be counted--- a lot of the top schools try to up their racial stats by admitting upper-class Caribbean and African black students. There might be some benefit to it, but it seems that the goal of affirmative action (remedy U.S. racial inequality) is probably not greatly served by increasing opportunities for people who are black, but are also sons of Nigerian cabinet ministers and millionaires.
randombit 17y ago
Certainly not restricted entirely to sciences - my Mom got her BS around 1969; when she applied to law school, the secretary actually threw out her application because "Honey, if you want to meet lawyers [ie, to marry], just hang out in the law library, you don't actually have to go to the school." (She ended up getting an MLS instead, and loves being a librarian, so at least there's a happy ending to it)