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Steve Bannon, of Breitbart, has spoken and written about his desire to tear down civic institutions within the United States and use Breitbart as a platform for

Steve Bannon, of Breitbart, has spoken and written about his desire to tear down civic institutions within the United States and use Breitbart as a platform for the new wave of White Nationalists. The evidence is quite clear in the case of Breitbart.

JumpCrisscross 10y ago
> [Bannon's] desire...the evidence is quite clear We disagree on what can be objectively known. I don't think one can know another's internal mind state. Motives exist purely in minds. Fact: Bannon has spoken and written about these desires. Fact: Breitbar publishes crap. Fact(ish): Breitbart's expansion into Germany will likely have a negative impact on its election quality and sociopolitical stability. Not a fact: what motivates the people at Breitbart to do this. Part of combatting fake news is basing decisions and discussions around what can be objectively agreed upon.
- ForrestN 10y ago
  If your point is a philosophical one about the nature of knowledge then we have gone far afield of the comment you were responding to. The leader of Breitbart has publicly announced a strategy to change the United States' political and governmental norms. He is now arguably the most powerful figure in the Trump administration, which has already begun pursuing that strategy. Breitbart's actions in other countries are consistent with that strategy. True, maybe the deepest motive for Bannon's stated strategy is that he wants to angrily reject his father's scorn and through world domination (or at least world destabilization) finally earn his love and thus be able to love himself. But that's not really the subject at hand. "Fake News" is just rebranded propaganda. Systematically trying to convince the public of lies is bad, regardless of motive. But we can also see clearly the first order motives of the people behind most of this current wave of propaganda even if we can't follow a chain of causality back to the deepest motives of human nature.
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JumpCrisscross 10y ago

> [Bannon's] desire...the evidence is quite clear We disagree on what can be objectively known. I don't think one can know another's internal mind state. Motives exist purely in minds. Fact: Bannon has spoken and written about these desires. Fact: Breitbar publishes crap. Fact(ish): Breitbart's expansion into Germany will likely have a negative impact on its election quality and sociopolitical stability. Not a fact: what motivates the people at Breitbart to do this. Part of combatting fake news is basing decisions and discussions around what can be objectively agreed upon.

ForrestN 10y ago
If your point is a philosophical one about the nature of knowledge then we have gone far afield of the comment you were responding to. The leader of Breitbart has publicly announced a strategy to change the United States' political and governmental norms. He is now arguably the most powerful figure in the Trump administration, which has already begun pursuing that strategy. Breitbart's actions in other countries are consistent with that strategy. True, maybe the deepest motive for Bannon's stated strategy is that he wants to angrily reject his father's scorn and through world domination (or at least world destabilization) finally earn his love and thus be able to love himself. But that's not really the subject at hand. "Fake News" is just rebranded propaganda. Systematically trying to convince the public of lies is bad, regardless of motive. But we can also see clearly the first order motives of the people behind most of this current wave of propaganda even if we can't follow a chain of causality back to the deepest motives of human nature.
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