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Germany... your anti-nuclear stance is detrimental to the environment...

by antr 10y ago

allendoerfer 10y ago
At least Germany is not putting its neighbours at risk with rotten nuclear plants. Looking at you, Belgium [0]. Also, Germany does not export its nuclear waste, dear France [1]. The current situation with coal is bad and we have to solve it. And I know HN is pro nuclear and downvotes opposing opinions, but history has proven several times, that nuclear energy is not a very good option, either. [0] http://www.dw.com/en/new-incident-at-belgiums-tihange-2-nuclear-plant/a-19323647 http://www.dw.com/en/new-incident-at-belgiums-tihange-2-nucl... [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8117882/Protests-as-a-train-carrying-nuclear-waste-travels-from-France-to-Germany.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8...
- Rasco 10y ago
  > Also, Germany does not export its nuclear waste, dear France. I guess this is incorrect : Gorleben Nuclear Waste Repository. The waste comes from Germany's nuclear power plants, was reprocessed in France at La Hague, and the unusable remains then sent back to Germany in spent nuclear fuel shipping casks for final storage, according to the contract with the reprocessing company, Cogema [0]. But even if it comes from France what's the matter? If nuclear wastes go to Gorleben it is obviously because the city allows it, because they have a deal with french firms and they have facilities to store it. If you want to blame someone for it blame the city. In contrast I am sure France does not 'export' its air pollution as much as our dear Germany :p. And France does not have much of a say in that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorleben#Nuclear_Waste_Repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorleben#Nuclear_Waste_Reposit...
- ptaipale 10y ago
  These incidents are an exception to the rule where coal is worse every other day of the year, as well as when looking at the total. Chernobyl was the decisive moment for me: you have the Soviets screwing it up in the worst way possible, my home place in southern Finland being one of the most affected places on Earth due to winds in April 1986, and the results are not worse than this? Bring it on, it's surely better than coal.
  - ollifi 10y ago
    Not sure how good option nuclear is with the recent experience with Olkiluoto 3. Probably safe yes, but maybe too expensive?
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      Possibly, though that seems to be a problem of the vendor, not the power company.
- snovv_crash 10y ago
  Just because poisoning us slowly with coal emissions (the silicates and heavy metals, never mind the CO2) isn't as easy to pin on the powerplants, doesn't mean it isn't an even bigger problem than nuclear power.
- hokkos 10y ago
  France is to blame when it cleans it for Germany and send it back for storage ? Lead in the air is one of the effect of massive coal usage in Germany and showing : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11987396 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11987396

Germany... your anti-nuclear stance is detrimental to the environment...

by antr 10y ago

Germany... your anti-nuclear stance is detrimental to the environment...

At least Germany is not putting its neighbours at risk with rotten nuclear plants. Looking at you, Belgium [0]. Also, Germany does not export its nuclear waste, dear France [1]. The current situation with coal is bad and we have to solve it. And I know HN is pro nuclear and downvotes opposing opinions, but history has proven several times, that nuclear energy is not a very good option, either. [0] http://www.dw.com/en/new-incident-at-belgiums-tihange-2-nuclear-plant/a-19323647 http://www.dw.com/en/new-incident-at-belgiums-tihange-2-nucl... [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8117882/Protests-as-a-train-carrying-nuclear-waste-travels-from-France-to-Germany.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8...

Rasco 10y ago
> Also, Germany does not export its nuclear waste, dear France. I guess this is incorrect : Gorleben Nuclear Waste Repository. The waste comes from Germany's nuclear power plants, was reprocessed in France at La Hague, and the unusable remains then sent back to Germany in spent nuclear fuel shipping casks for final storage, according to the contract with the reprocessing company, Cogema [0]. But even if it comes from France what's the matter? If nuclear wastes go to Gorleben it is obviously because the city allows it, because they have a deal with french firms and they have facilities to store it. If you want to blame someone for it blame the city. In contrast I am sure France does not 'export' its air pollution as much as our dear Germany :p. And France does not have much of a say in that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorleben#Nuclear_Waste_Repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorleben#Nuclear_Waste_Reposit...
ptaipale 10y ago
These incidents are an exception to the rule where coal is worse every other day of the year, as well as when looking at the total. Chernobyl was the decisive moment for me: you have the Soviets screwing it up in the worst way possible, my home place in southern Finland being one of the most affected places on Earth due to winds in April 1986, and the results are not worse than this? Bring it on, it's surely better than coal.
- ollifi 10y ago
  Not sure how good option nuclear is with the recent experience with Olkiluoto 3. Probably safe yes, but maybe too expensive?
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    Possibly, though that seems to be a problem of the vendor, not the power company.
snovv_crash 10y ago
Just because poisoning us slowly with coal emissions (the silicates and heavy metals, never mind the CO2) isn't as easy to pin on the powerplants, doesn't mean it isn't an even bigger problem than nuclear power.
hokkos 10y ago
France is to blame when it cleans it for Germany and send it back for storage ? Lead in the air is one of the effect of massive coal usage in Germany and showing : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11987396 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11987396