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The metric system is entirely arbitrary. It's just been recently back-filled to make it seem consistent and reasonable. Look up the original definition of the
by grogenaut 10y ago
The metric system is entirely arbitrary. It's just been recently back-filled to make it seem consistent and reasonable.
Look up the original definition of the meter, kilometer, etc. "The metre was originally defined in 1793 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. In 1799, it was redefined in terms of a prototype metre bar (the actual bar used was changed in 1889 and 1927). In 1960, the metre was redefined in terms of a certain number of wavelengths of a certain emission line of krypton-86. In 1983, the current definition was adopted."
How is something that is based on the then calculated distance from the equator to the north pole. Why do I say calculated? Well, because: "One of the earliest expeditions to set out with the explicit intention of reaching the North Pole was that of British naval officer William Edward Parry, who in 1827" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pole#Pre-1900.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pole#Pre-1900... No one had been there yet. So they didn't lay a tape measure down. You couldn't actually even do that. And the earth isn't even flat anywhere so you're measuring an idealized object. Even more arbitrary.
But ignore that... ITS BASED ON THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE EARTH... how is that NOT arbitrary? Well it is. That's why all of the new definitions of metric things are being redefined to be as close to absolute constants as they can be: "The metre is defined as the distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299 792 458 seconds."
But that's still really arbitrary because it comes from the circumference of the earth.
And your boiling point and freezing points are also arbitrary because it depends on the altitude you live at. Sure it's at sea level for these numbers... but who lives at sea level? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9162438 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9162438 looks like 1/3rd to 1/2 (max). Maybe way less.
So the Fahrenheit argument is "the numbers that are generally useful to people for air temperature are those that exist in human inhabited or are generally hospitable", eg 0 (pretty cold) to (100) pretty hot with specialized areas knowing more about their end of the spectrum (minnesota, riyadh).
Your celsius argument means is that you care about temperatures over 100 (or 140) F up to 212F, or 37.7778 C up to 100C. I really doubt you care actually. You could just have a gague labelled "beef, pork, chicken, black tea, green tea, boiling" and be totally fine. Actually boiling doesn't even matter, it's pretty obivious when things are boiling and since it's a state change it's a very stable temperature.
It's valid that it would make things easier if the US was on the metric system. It would be valid to say that india shouldn't go 30 minutes off of the hour to have a solo time zone, because that makes time zones easier, same for indiana (if they still do that).
But don't pretend the metric measurements are any less arbitrary than the imperial ones. That's a very earth centric point of view. We should be on galactic measurements by now. You should see how much news.zcombinator.g out at alpha centauri is complaining about the metric system.
- nightcracker 10y agoSome singular SI units are arbitrary, such as the meter. Some are less arbitrary, such as the Celcius. But the most important aspect of SI units is that they form a system which is coherent _together_, and makes it easy to convert/calculate with.
- grogenaut 10y agoCelsius is based on freezing point of water at sea level. That's about as arbitrary as the circumference of the earth. The multiples of ten, divide by ten is a very nice feature. But if you think about it, base 10 is still arbitrary and human centric. It's based on the fact that we have 10 fingers. Not some universal constant.
- hardlianotion 10y agoAt the moment, we are pursuing an agile approach to standards setting. The base 10 thing is very useful for human computation. Perhaps when that changes or our alien overlords make the point moot, we can have something more universally acceptable.
- notahacker 10y agoThe average person in the developed world owns a device whose capacity to freeze stuff is dependent on it being just below zero celsius and a device whose capacity to keep it cool whilst not accidentally freezing it is dependent on it being just above zero celsius. That's a little less arbitrary than fractions of the circumference of the earth, or the coldest temperature in Danzig in winter 1708/9. (Weather ranges and human temperature preferences are also a lot more subjective)
- yxhuvud 10y agoWhile using 10 is arbitrary, having a constant factor is really nice, as is having the same factor as is used for scaling numbers.
- thomasz 10y ago> The metre was originally defined in 1793 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre