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i hate to admit it, but i agree with your parents. where I live, a small fraction of the people on public transit are obnoxious, play loud music, talk loudly o

i hate to admit it, but i agree with your parents. where I live, a small fraction of the people on public transit are obnoxious, play loud music, talk loudly on mobile phones, put their feet on the seats, eat and drink, litter, and create the appearance of being threatening to public safety. law enforcement agents are practically nonexistent. because of that the entire experience of riding public transit is, rather than being relaxing, a bit tense. rather than being pleasant, it is often unpleasant. on the plus side, underground trains get me to my destination very quickly. if public transport were clean and pleasant, if the stations and trains and buses were safe havens rather than magnets for poor behavior and even crime, i'd get rid of my car.

emjoes1 10y ago
Yep this has been my experience with public transportation in the U.S.
wcummings 10y ago
It's a public space. There will inevitably be things you don't like about it, that's life in a city. Doesn't stop me from taking the bus almost everyday. You're really exaggerating unless your city is a lot worse than mine. Most trips are pleasant and without incident. >create the appearance of being threatening to public safety Care to elaborate?
- emjoes1 10y ago
  Intimidation. I dealt with that a lot when riding the bus in my city, was a problem back in 1998, was a couple of years ago, and from my understanding still is today. Perhaps my city just sux though. http://wfpl.org/charges-dropped-tarc-stabbings-downtown-louisville-violence-followed-vigil-victims/ http://wfpl.org/charges-dropped-tarc-stabbings-downtown-loui... http://www.wlky.com/article/tarc-adding-security-measures-in-response-to-violence/3749560 http://www.wlky.com/article/tarc-adding-security-measures-in...
- HillaryBriss 10y ago
  > You're really exaggerating unless your city is a lot worse than mine my city is Los Angeles. my experience is that if I look at such a person while their expletive laden music (with lyrics that would not be tolerated as productive discourse on HN, to put it mildly) is blaring, i get back a hostile look. usually the person is physically larger and more powerfully built than i am. sometimes there are neck tattoos indicative of gang affiliation. i see no signs of concern about the comfort and privacy of other riders. there is a sense of carelessness and what i can only interpret as a desire to provoke and annoy. they are all but saying "i will disrupt this space as much as i want and i know you will not fuck with me"
- HillaryBriss 10y ago
  > It's a public space. There will inevitably be things you don't like about it ... I tried a test with that argument. I replaced "a public space" with "my old, dilapidated private car" and I found that the argument still works. Then I thought about someone who complained they didn't like living next to a freeway because there was a lot of air pollution. The argument works there too. Then I thought about the complaints I've heard about the difficulties of living in a neighborhood characterized by a high number of shootings and police sirens. Sure enough that argument wins again. I'm pretty sure it can be applied to complaints about the atmosphere and global warming too. That argument is unstoppable.

emjoes1 10y ago

Yep this has been my experience with public transportation in the U.S.

wcummings 10y ago

It's a public space. There will inevitably be things you don't like about it, that's life in a city. Doesn't stop me from taking the bus almost everyday. You're really exaggerating unless your city is a lot worse than mine. Most trips are pleasant and without incident. >create the appearance of being threatening to public safety Care to elaborate?

emjoes1 10y ago
Intimidation. I dealt with that a lot when riding the bus in my city, was a problem back in 1998, was a couple of years ago, and from my understanding still is today. Perhaps my city just sux though. http://wfpl.org/charges-dropped-tarc-stabbings-downtown-louisville-violence-followed-vigil-victims/ http://wfpl.org/charges-dropped-tarc-stabbings-downtown-loui... http://www.wlky.com/article/tarc-adding-security-measures-in-response-to-violence/3749560 http://www.wlky.com/article/tarc-adding-security-measures-in...
HillaryBriss 10y ago
> You're really exaggerating unless your city is a lot worse than mine my city is Los Angeles. my experience is that if I look at such a person while their expletive laden music (with lyrics that would not be tolerated as productive discourse on HN, to put it mildly) is blaring, i get back a hostile look. usually the person is physically larger and more powerfully built than i am. sometimes there are neck tattoos indicative of gang affiliation. i see no signs of concern about the comfort and privacy of other riders. there is a sense of carelessness and what i can only interpret as a desire to provoke and annoy. they are all but saying "i will disrupt this space as much as i want and i know you will not fuck with me"
HillaryBriss 10y ago
> It's a public space. There will inevitably be things you don't like about it ... I tried a test with that argument. I replaced "a public space" with "my old, dilapidated private car" and I found that the argument still works. Then I thought about someone who complained they didn't like living next to a freeway because there was a lot of air pollution. The argument works there too. Then I thought about the complaints I've heard about the difficulties of living in a neighborhood characterized by a high number of shootings and police sirens. Sure enough that argument wins again. I'm pretty sure it can be applied to complaints about the atmosphere and global warming too. That argument is unstoppable.