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> ...Have you never cooked a meal for yourself or something? No? I try to cook most of my meals. In fact, I prefer it over eating out. I'm not convinced it is

> ...Have you never cooked a meal for yourself or something? No? I try to cook most of my meals. In fact, I prefer it over eating out. I'm not convinced it is fiscally optimal though, but I'm okay with paying the premium for my preference. > which are amortized over time Like I pointed out in my other comment, simply having a small kitchen in San Francisco will cost you $2 per meal (assuming you eat three meals per day in it), on average. And that amount per meal goes up if you ever decide to skip a meal or eat away from home on occasion. That is not an insignificant amount when prepared meals are also available in the single digit range. > Maybe if you insist on comparing cooking to your hourly wage it starts to look more competitive. If we're talking a programmers wage, you can barely even get into the grocery store before you've accrued enough to pay for several McDonalds meals. Never mind the actual cooking, cleaning, etc. It's not even in the same ballpark of competitiveness. But, like I pointed out in the other comment, even if you only accounted for minimum wage, it barely gives you enough time to serve a meal before it is costing you money. For a fair analysis, you do have to consider some amount. Maybe not the full amount that you would make at your day job, but something for sure. It is another opportunity cost, after all. If you are not including opportunity cost, you are not painting a true picture. > As for McDonald's, well, if you want McDonald's-quality food you can do it cheaper. I wouldn't get too hung up on McDonalds specifically. There are some decent mom and pop joints that will give you a good meal for even less than McDonalds. The point was to exclude $50+ a plate-type places, or whatever, as they are selling an experience that so happens to include food.

emodendroket 10y ago
My point is that if you compare like meals with like meals home cooking is going to be far cheaper just about every time. If you compare cooking a steak to eating eggs and potatoes at a diner maybe not. Restaurants sell just about everything at at least 4 times the cost of the ingredients. The energy and so on aren't exactly free but they're not running a charity either.
- emodendroket 10y ago
  And further, it's not like there are all these no-kitchen apartments for rent so you almost certainly have a stove anyway. Your average refrigerator apparently costs you less than $12 a month in CA (http://homeguides.sfgate.com/calculate-cost-run-refrigerator-69603.html http://homeguides.sfgate.com/calculate-cost-run-refrigerator...) so it's a pittance too.
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- randomdata 10y ago
  > My point is that if you compare like meals with like meals home cooking is going to be far cheaper just about every time. Is that meant to be a tangent to the original discussion? This discussion was about restaurants not seeing the benefits of economies of scale. I'm suggesting that they have, it's just not particularly obvious because people are quick to ignore most of the costs of cooking at home. If all you are saying once you have already invested in the means of production, and don't value your time, that a home cooked meal is cheaper... then sure. I'm sure just about everything you could possibly buy is cheaper than retail if you are only including the raw materials you need to get the job done. If you already have a garden and your time is free you can grow the food for far less than the grocery store charges. Heck, if you already own a silicon fab and don't value your time designing chips, you can likely build a computer for a fraction of the cost of one in the store. But that's a pretty silly way to look at it. There are real costs to having the production capability that should not be ignored.
  - emodendroket 10y ago
    Well, I'd argue that we should talk about the world we actually live in and not one where people have homes without stoves and with silicon fabrication devices.
    - randomdata 10y ago
      Well, that's certainly an interesting topic of its own, but I don't see how it applies to the context of this discussion.
      - emodendroket 10y ago
        Because arguments like the square footage of your stove as a percentage of your rent assume, unrealistically, that you have to opt in to having a stove instead of it being a standard part of dwellings.

emodendroket 10y ago

My point is that if you compare like meals with like meals home cooking is going to be far cheaper just about every time. If you compare cooking a steak to eating eggs and potatoes at a diner maybe not. Restaurants sell just about everything at at least 4 times the cost of the ingredients. The energy and so on aren't exactly free but they're not running a charity either.

emodendroket 10y ago
And further, it's not like there are all these no-kitchen apartments for rent so you almost certainly have a stove anyway. Your average refrigerator apparently costs you less than $12 a month in CA (http://homeguides.sfgate.com/calculate-cost-run-refrigerator-69603.html http://homeguides.sfgate.com/calculate-cost-run-refrigerator...) so it's a pittance too.
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randomdata 10y ago
> My point is that if you compare like meals with like meals home cooking is going to be far cheaper just about every time. Is that meant to be a tangent to the original discussion? This discussion was about restaurants not seeing the benefits of economies of scale. I'm suggesting that they have, it's just not particularly obvious because people are quick to ignore most of the costs of cooking at home. If all you are saying once you have already invested in the means of production, and don't value your time, that a home cooked meal is cheaper... then sure. I'm sure just about everything you could possibly buy is cheaper than retail if you are only including the raw materials you need to get the job done. If you already have a garden and your time is free you can grow the food for far less than the grocery store charges. Heck, if you already own a silicon fab and don't value your time designing chips, you can likely build a computer for a fraction of the cost of one in the store. But that's a pretty silly way to look at it. There are real costs to having the production capability that should not be ignored.
- emodendroket 10y ago
  Well, I'd argue that we should talk about the world we actually live in and not one where people have homes without stoves and with silicon fabrication devices.
  - randomdata 10y ago
    Well, that's certainly an interesting topic of its own, but I don't see how it applies to the context of this discussion.
    - emodendroket 10y ago
      Because arguments like the square footage of your stove as a percentage of your rent assume, unrealistically, that you have to opt in to having a stove instead of it being a standard part of dwellings.