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emblem21 10y ago
Very relevant. We've seen massive unemployment due to globalism during our lifetime. And we solved all of the cultural and social problems that caused by calling anyone who complained about it racist for five decades straight. Why reinvent the wheel? Just open up the console and type: npm install ford-model
- ss108 10y ago
  I don't know if you're actually being "/s" or not, but, if you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to spew your horseshit unchallenged. Nobody is calling people racist just because they oppose free trade. Sanders and a lot his supporters are against free trade and have a narrative of jobs going overseas, nobody calls them racist. Furthermore, I am not sure that calling out racism in the political arena was even as strong in the 60's and 70's, or even the 80's, as it is now. Can you drudge up some evidence that opposition to free trade earned a person accusations of racism as far back as the 60's? The problem in the US w/r/t free trade is that we have no social safety net. We have gained a lot from free trade, but the gains have not been spread evenly. There are cultural reasons why our laws and regulations have failed to solve this problem. One is an irrational disdain for anything remotely socialist. Another is that working class whites have very distinctly voted against their interests in this regard for, as you say, the past five decades.
  - stevens32 10y ago
    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” ― Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress Kind of seems like the inevitable conclusion of the hard-sell of the American Dream
    - danharaj 10y ago
      Socialism was very popular at the turn of the 20th century. Workers movements were strong, labor had power. A socialist ran for president, even. The real reason why it never took root was because it was brutally opposed at every turn by government and business.
      - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
        Even Henry Ford adopted some Progressive/Socialist principles. For every Henry Frick there were thousands of much less severe people in positions of power. But in America, wages were usually quite a bit higher than in Europe, so the need was less obvious.
    - mc32 10y ago
      I'm not sure about that. One thing which I think tends to skew things is that we get so many immigrants who are intent on seeking better opportunities than they had in their home countries. For most of them, things are by default better than what they had back home [as paupers or even as middlings back home], else they would not have come and the movement to migrate _here_ would run out of momentum. Second gen + may be more receptive to more progressive ideas about security, mobility etc.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    >working class whites have very distinctly voted against their interests. Given that Obama pushed the TPP hard, made the Bush tax cuts permanent and effectively raised taxes on the working poor with the ACA (also known as Romney Care) and Clinton passed NAFTA and shortened welfare to 5 years. I assuming you mean they should have voted Green party or something?
  - dang 10y ago
    > spew your horseshit This sort of attack will get your account banned from Hacker News, regardless of how wrong or trollish another user was being. When replying to a bad comment, it's important not to make the thread even worse.

Very relevant. We've seen massive unemployment due to globalism during our lifetime. And we solved all of the cultural and social problems that caused by calling anyone who complained about it racist for five decades straight. Why reinvent the wheel? Just open up the console and type: npm install ford-model

ss108 10y ago
I don't know if you're actually being "/s" or not, but, if you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to spew your horseshit unchallenged. Nobody is calling people racist just because they oppose free trade. Sanders and a lot his supporters are against free trade and have a narrative of jobs going overseas, nobody calls them racist. Furthermore, I am not sure that calling out racism in the political arena was even as strong in the 60's and 70's, or even the 80's, as it is now. Can you drudge up some evidence that opposition to free trade earned a person accusations of racism as far back as the 60's? The problem in the US w/r/t free trade is that we have no social safety net. We have gained a lot from free trade, but the gains have not been spread evenly. There are cultural reasons why our laws and regulations have failed to solve this problem. One is an irrational disdain for anything remotely socialist. Another is that working class whites have very distinctly voted against their interests in this regard for, as you say, the past five decades.
- stevens32 10y ago
  “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” ― Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress Kind of seems like the inevitable conclusion of the hard-sell of the American Dream
  - danharaj 10y ago
    Socialism was very popular at the turn of the 20th century. Workers movements were strong, labor had power. A socialist ran for president, even. The real reason why it never took root was because it was brutally opposed at every turn by government and business.
    - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
      Even Henry Ford adopted some Progressive/Socialist principles. For every Henry Frick there were thousands of much less severe people in positions of power. But in America, wages were usually quite a bit higher than in Europe, so the need was less obvious.
  - mc32 10y ago
    I'm not sure about that. One thing which I think tends to skew things is that we get so many immigrants who are intent on seeking better opportunities than they had in their home countries. For most of them, things are by default better than what they had back home [as paupers or even as middlings back home], else they would not have come and the movement to migrate _here_ would run out of momentum. Second gen + may be more receptive to more progressive ideas about security, mobility etc.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  >working class whites have very distinctly voted against their interests. Given that Obama pushed the TPP hard, made the Bush tax cuts permanent and effectively raised taxes on the working poor with the ACA (also known as Romney Care) and Clinton passed NAFTA and shortened welfare to 5 years. I assuming you mean they should have voted Green party or something?
- dang 10y ago
  > spew your horseshit This sort of attack will get your account banned from Hacker News, regardless of how wrong or trollish another user was being. When replying to a bad comment, it's important not to make the thread even worse.