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>Good thing nobody ever had a complicated spread sheet, a document on letterhead for the office or a small programming job to do! At home? Most people don't.

by MrFoof 16y ago

>Good thing nobody ever had a complicated spread sheet, a document on letterhead for the office or a small programming job to do! At home? Most people don't. Every computer I've watched my parents buy over the past 15 years, they buy Microsoft Office as a reflex response. When I visited for the holidays and helped migrate them to their iMac, I noticed the number of Word and Excel documents they had accumulated over this period. About 40. Outside of school assignments, what need does a child have for a productivity suite? Close to zero, and even then, 98% of what they do for writing assignments can be accomplished by a simple typewriter or standalone electronic word processor. Programming? Don't get me started... My sister bought a 15" MacBook Pro over the holidays, and a copy of Office. She doesn't work on documents, just logs in to Outlook Web Access and maybe reviews something sent to her. She does the real work, well, at work. Aside from occasionally loading new photos into iPhoto after one of her 2 yearly vacations, it's a $1700 web browser and media consumption device. My non-IT friends? The same. Webmail. Facebook. Funny pictures of cats. The computer in the traditional sense is becoming a lot more niche. Why? It's what people want. It's like the new 2011 Mustangs are hitting dealer lots. I want the V8, a 6-speed, the performance axle and the good brakes. Out of the dozens of Ford dealers in a 100 mile radius, only ONE dealer has manual transmissions. The only reason that dealer has them is because it's Bob "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" Tasca -- a car enthusiast, catering to other enthusiasts. We're computer enthusiasts. The virtues of SSDs are just as foreign as the virtues of powersliding to someone who's, frankly, just not that interested and just wants to get something done inexpensively and with a minimum of fuss that doesn't involve a debugger or heel-toeing.

jacquesm 16y ago
Just looking at the stuff I'm running right now and wondering how I'd do without: - xchat (maybe that does work on the iPad, it could be) - thunderbird - varicad - 20 or so terminal tabs logged in to just about as many servers - about 20 browser windows, each with multiple tabs - an ide (currently intellij, I hate it but that's what I'm using) And I'm not even programming right now (haven't touched the ide in a few days, but it's still running), just staying informed, in touch and doing some systems maintenance. Just thinking about having to 'downsize' to a single non-multi tasking machine without a clearly defined local file store that I can back up to a server gives me headaches. edit: I missed open office and okular, different desktop, same box. It would be like looking at the world through a very small key-hole.
- MrFoof 16y ago
  Right. You're not the normal use case though, even at the office. At work I probably have SQL Server Management Studio open, a tabbed text editor, Visual Studio, a Terminal Services client, an IM client, Chrome and MSIE both open, Outlook, several internal apps developed for our trading workflow and monitoring, internal design documents, specs and documents from data vendors... etc. My average window count is probably 16 across three displays, and I'm just a developer. Even in most offices that's absolutely abnormal. Heck, in your average office multiple displays is incredibly abnormal. I've worked in other quant shops and I remember in one even the guys driving the company's bottom line were given just a single 19" display. But that's fine. I don't need most of that at home. At home I get by with a browser, iTunes and occasionally a Terminal Services client. iPads aren't going to replace desktops for doing real work. They can't. They never will. However the average user -- and the average power user most of the time -- doesn't need a desktop either. I'm pending a home hardware refresh. I'll still get a decked out iMac, but I have a gut feeling it'll mostly be asleep because 95% of what I do at home is with a web browser. And my lounge chair and sofa are much more comfortable.
- mechanical_fish 16y ago
  It would be like looking at the world through a very small key-hole. Oh, yes. Heck, yes. I've found that to be a big reason why I love my iPad. Remember all that psychological research on multitasking? The research that concludes that even the people who claim to enjoy multitasking and have "lots of practice" at it are less productive and more stressed when trying to do more than one thing at a time? Have you ever seen Cory Doctorow's theory of ebooks? The one that holds that long-form prose on computer screens hasn't worked, not because we're holding out for better screen quality -- many of us white-collar workers spend eight or more hours a day reading from our existing screens, after all -- but because our computers, and our habits when working with them, are so centered around distraction that we can't make ourselves concentrate when sitting in front of a computer? You start to read the novel from the browser window, but then your email beeps. Or, god help you, your mind starts to wander, your hands hit a key-combo, and you check your email as a sort of spinal reflex. And then you notice the RSS feed icon blinking, and then Twitter updates, and then a Skype call comes in, and before you know it you're reading Wikipedia about some band from the eighties while simultaneously watching a YouTube video of some kittens. Or (ahem) posting to Hacker News. The iPad is relentlessly focused on one app at any given time. This is obviously a problem for some tasks -- yes, you can't really program on the iPad at the moment, or even blog very effectively; that's why iPad owners also have computers -- but for many other uses it is downright refreshing, even Zen. You do one thing. Then you do something else.
harisenbon 16y ago
Even as a computer enthusiast, I've been noticing this trend in my own working styles. I just assembled a new (fairly top of the line) computer at my house. And for the first few weeks I played on it, installed software, tweaked, etc. After that I just started using it for email and the web. Then I got an ipod, and I do all my facebooking, light websurfing, emailing, etc on there. I only power on my computer any more when I want to get some programming done. I don't even use Word all that often -- generally only to open a file that someone has sent me, or is a legacy file from my old computer. While the general computer will never be replaced (especially at work, or for work-at-homes) I'm seeing a real trend in the desire for single-use, no-fuss hardware applications (the post on Hacker News about TurnKeyLinux is a good example). For me: Watching Movies at Home: PS3 and a NAS Listening to Music at Home: PS3 and a NAS Music/Video on the Go: iPod twitter, email, facebook: iPod Touch light web browsing: iPod Showing pictures: Net-enabled Photoframe
- Lazlo_Nibble 16y ago
  Since I got my iPod touch eight or nine months ago, easily 3/4 of my recreational web browsing has moved to the Touch. I frequent a couple of VBulletin-based sites that are just too painful to use that way, and I still use the PC for a lot of things (Photoshop, cataloging & ripping CDs, pulling down media to watch via the TiVo, etc.) but I've moved everything the mobile platform is capable of handling over to the mobile platform.
- seiha 16y ago
  ? Regular iPods can do that? You're saying iPod touch in addition to iPod.
- catch23 16y ago
  I see that trend at home too. My dad has a top of the line Dell computer, i7 quad core with 8gigs of memory, 25" 1920x1200 lcd, Nvidia GT200 core, the works. He uses it to browse the web, email (yahoo mail), and uses skype occasionally to chat with distant relatives. He also downloads these korean drama videos every now and then and watches them. He could probably survive on a computer built 10 years ago. Every time I visit home, there's something broken that I have to fix -- the printer doesn't show up on the network, the computer fan is making a funny noise, the video card is stuck at a low res, the windows file sharing folder disappeared, etc. If you could print via safari on the ipad, I'd probably buy it for them so I don't have to fix windows problems every time I visit home.

by MrFoof 16y ago

jacquesm 16y ago

Just looking at the stuff I'm running right now and wondering how I'd do without: - xchat (maybe that does work on the iPad, it could be) - thunderbird - varicad - 20 or so terminal tabs logged in to just about as many servers - about 20 browser windows, each with multiple tabs - an ide (currently intellij, I hate it but that's what I'm using) And I'm not even programming right now (haven't touched the ide in a few days, but it's still running), just staying informed, in touch and doing some systems maintenance. Just thinking about having to 'downsize' to a single non-multi tasking machine without a clearly defined local file store that I can back up to a server gives me headaches. edit: I missed open office and okular, different desktop, same box. It would be like looking at the world through a very small key-hole.

MrFoof 16y ago
Right. You're not the normal use case though, even at the office. At work I probably have SQL Server Management Studio open, a tabbed text editor, Visual Studio, a Terminal Services client, an IM client, Chrome and MSIE both open, Outlook, several internal apps developed for our trading workflow and monitoring, internal design documents, specs and documents from data vendors... etc. My average window count is probably 16 across three displays, and I'm just a developer. Even in most offices that's absolutely abnormal. Heck, in your average office multiple displays is incredibly abnormal. I've worked in other quant shops and I remember in one even the guys driving the company's bottom line were given just a single 19" display. But that's fine. I don't need most of that at home. At home I get by with a browser, iTunes and occasionally a Terminal Services client. iPads aren't going to replace desktops for doing real work. They can't. They never will. However the average user -- and the average power user most of the time -- doesn't need a desktop either. I'm pending a home hardware refresh. I'll still get a decked out iMac, but I have a gut feeling it'll mostly be asleep because 95% of what I do at home is with a web browser. And my lounge chair and sofa are much more comfortable.
mechanical_fish 16y ago
It would be like looking at the world through a very small key-hole. Oh, yes. Heck, yes. I've found that to be a big reason why I love my iPad. Remember all that psychological research on multitasking? The research that concludes that even the people who claim to enjoy multitasking and have "lots of practice" at it are less productive and more stressed when trying to do more than one thing at a time? Have you ever seen Cory Doctorow's theory of ebooks? The one that holds that long-form prose on computer screens hasn't worked, not because we're holding out for better screen quality -- many of us white-collar workers spend eight or more hours a day reading from our existing screens, after all -- but because our computers, and our habits when working with them, are so centered around distraction that we can't make ourselves concentrate when sitting in front of a computer? You start to read the novel from the browser window, but then your email beeps. Or, god help you, your mind starts to wander, your hands hit a key-combo, and you check your email as a sort of spinal reflex. And then you notice the RSS feed icon blinking, and then Twitter updates, and then a Skype call comes in, and before you know it you're reading Wikipedia about some band from the eighties while simultaneously watching a YouTube video of some kittens. Or (ahem) posting to Hacker News. The iPad is relentlessly focused on one app at any given time. This is obviously a problem for some tasks -- yes, you can't really program on the iPad at the moment, or even blog very effectively; that's why iPad owners also have computers -- but for many other uses it is downright refreshing, even Zen. You do one thing. Then you do something else.

harisenbon 16y ago

Even as a computer enthusiast, I've been noticing this trend in my own working styles. I just assembled a new (fairly top of the line) computer at my house. And for the first few weeks I played on it, installed software, tweaked, etc. After that I just started using it for email and the web. Then I got an ipod, and I do all my facebooking, light websurfing, emailing, etc on there. I only power on my computer any more when I want to get some programming done. I don't even use Word all that often -- generally only to open a file that someone has sent me, or is a legacy file from my old computer. While the general computer will never be replaced (especially at work, or for work-at-homes) I'm seeing a real trend in the desire for single-use, no-fuss hardware applications (the post on Hacker News about TurnKeyLinux is a good example). For me: Watching Movies at Home: PS3 and a NAS Listening to Music at Home: PS3 and a NAS Music/Video on the Go: iPod twitter, email, facebook: iPod Touch light web browsing: iPod Showing pictures: Net-enabled Photoframe

Lazlo_Nibble 16y ago
Since I got my iPod touch eight or nine months ago, easily 3/4 of my recreational web browsing has moved to the Touch. I frequent a couple of VBulletin-based sites that are just too painful to use that way, and I still use the PC for a lot of things (Photoshop, cataloging & ripping CDs, pulling down media to watch via the TiVo, etc.) but I've moved everything the mobile platform is capable of handling over to the mobile platform.
seiha 16y ago
? Regular iPods can do that? You're saying iPod touch in addition to iPod.
catch23 16y ago
I see that trend at home too. My dad has a top of the line Dell computer, i7 quad core with 8gigs of memory, 25" 1920x1200 lcd, Nvidia GT200 core, the works. He uses it to browse the web, email (yahoo mail), and uses skype occasionally to chat with distant relatives. He also downloads these korean drama videos every now and then and watches them. He could probably survive on a computer built 10 years ago. Every time I visit home, there's something broken that I have to fix -- the printer doesn't show up on the network, the computer fan is making a funny noise, the video card is stuck at a low res, the windows file sharing folder disappeared, etc. If you could print via safari on the ipad, I'd probably buy it for them so I don't have to fix windows problems every time I visit home.