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One man's propoganda is another man's counter-propoganda. If the bill aimed to empower independent sources, such as BBC/Reuters etc, I'd be all for it. But a gr

by whack 10y ago

One man's propoganda is another man's counter-propoganda. If the bill aimed to empower independent sources, such as BBC/Reuters etc, I'd be all for it. But a group that's beholden solely to the US federal government? I wouldn't expect anything less than a biased mouthpiece for the President's interests.

SixSigma 10y ago
One man's independent media is another woman's income stream. Clinton Foundation donors 2015 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati... $1,000,000-$5,000,000 Carlos Slim - Chairman & CEO of Telmex, largest New York Times shareholder James Murdoch - Chief Operating Officer of 21st Century Fox Newsmax Media - Florida-based conservative media network Thomson Reuters - Owner of the Reuters news service $500,000-$1,000,000 Google News Corporation Foundation - Philanthropic arm of former Fox News parent company
- untog 10y ago
  Here's the thing I don't get about that, maybe you can help me out. How did the Clintons profit from the Clinton Foundation? I'm looking on Politifact, which says: "The Clintons don’t take a salary from this work, and they don’t receive any other direct monetary benefit." "The Clinton Foundation is a public charity that, as we have reported, allocates about 80-90 percent of its expenditures to charitable programs, while the rest goes to fundraising and overhead." So, I'm trying to work how this matches up with what basically became a mass meme, that the foundation was utterly corrupt. It certainly doesn't sound like a particularly valuable "income stream", as you call it. What am I missing? I can see it being an example of the Clintons being too close to the rich donor class, but then, Trump met Carlos Slim the other day (describing him as a great guy) so it's hardly as if there was only one candidate guilty of that. (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/sep/01/hilary-rosen/democrat-pundit-clintons-get-no-personal-benefit-f/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/sep/01/...)
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    I admit not knowing in depth, but supposedly (from a Wikileaks released email), Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding out of foundation funds: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046 Aren't these non-profit P&L/expense reports on file with the IRS and public record?
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      >Aren't these non-profit P&L/expense reports on file with the IRS and public record? They don't have to disclose full (itemised) expenditures or income IIRC and even if they did someone needs to take a very deep look at it, the clinton foundation issues 1000's of invoices on a monthly basis if not more it's not like they would mark "-150,000$ - Chelsea's wedding" in the books.
  - perseusprime11 10y ago
    These kinds of things are not easy to see or understand from untrained eyes like ours but if you dig deeper, you will find thorny issues like these: https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bill-clintons-speaking-fee-overlaps-with-foundation-business-1474408587 https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bill-cli... https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/wikileaks-bill-clinton-foundation.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-...
  - sameerds 10y ago
    Totally speculating out of thin air ... but what if charity is the currency used by the powerful? X donates to Y's foundation in return for favours. Y uses those donations for Z's social work in return for favours, and so on it goes.
  - thesagan 10y ago
    Maybe it acts as a bank for special interests, but with different reporting/legal obligations? I mean, that's just one of many intents I could speculate that large foundations could potentially realize. ('Speculate' being a key word.)
perseusprime11 10y ago
Where does propaganda from governments fall? Like Iraq having weapons of mass destruction... We are basically talking one way accountability.

by whack 10y ago

SixSigma 10y ago

One man's independent media is another woman's income stream. Clinton Foundation donors 2015 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati... $1,000,000-$5,000,000 Carlos Slim - Chairman & CEO of Telmex, largest New York Times shareholder James Murdoch - Chief Operating Officer of 21st Century Fox Newsmax Media - Florida-based conservative media network Thomson Reuters - Owner of the Reuters news service $500,000-$1,000,000 Google News Corporation Foundation - Philanthropic arm of former Fox News parent company

untog 10y ago
Here's the thing I don't get about that, maybe you can help me out. How did the Clintons profit from the Clinton Foundation? I'm looking on Politifact, which says: "The Clintons don’t take a salary from this work, and they don’t receive any other direct monetary benefit." "The Clinton Foundation is a public charity that, as we have reported, allocates about 80-90 percent of its expenditures to charitable programs, while the rest goes to fundraising and overhead." So, I'm trying to work how this matches up with what basically became a mass meme, that the foundation was utterly corrupt. It certainly doesn't sound like a particularly valuable "income stream", as you call it. What am I missing? I can see it being an example of the Clintons being too close to the rich donor class, but then, Trump met Carlos Slim the other day (describing him as a great guy) so it's hardly as if there was only one candidate guilty of that. (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/sep/01/hilary-rosen/democrat-pundit-clintons-get-no-personal-benefit-f/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/sep/01/...)
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  I admit not knowing in depth, but supposedly (from a Wikileaks released email), Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding out of foundation funds: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046 Aren't these non-profit P&L/expense reports on file with the IRS and public record?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    >Aren't these non-profit P&L/expense reports on file with the IRS and public record? They don't have to disclose full (itemised) expenditures or income IIRC and even if they did someone needs to take a very deep look at it, the clinton foundation issues 1000's of invoices on a monthly basis if not more it's not like they would mark "-150,000$ - Chelsea's wedding" in the books.
- perseusprime11 10y ago
  These kinds of things are not easy to see or understand from untrained eyes like ours but if you dig deeper, you will find thorny issues like these: https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bill-clintons-speaking-fee-overlaps-with-foundation-business-1474408587 https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bill-cli... https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/wikileaks-bill-clinton-foundation.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-...
- sameerds 10y ago
  Totally speculating out of thin air ... but what if charity is the currency used by the powerful? X donates to Y's foundation in return for favours. Y uses those donations for Z's social work in return for favours, and so on it goes.
- thesagan 10y ago
  Maybe it acts as a bank for special interests, but with different reporting/legal obligations? I mean, that's just one of many intents I could speculate that large foundations could potentially realize. ('Speculate' being a key word.)

perseusprime11 10y ago

Where does propaganda from governments fall? Like Iraq having weapons of mass destruction... We are basically talking one way accountability.