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There are many that have a weak understanding of the language. I got asked some years back why I defaulted to C in some interview questions -- I grew up with t

There are many that have a weak understanding of the language. I got asked some years back why I defaulted to C in some interview questions -- I grew up with the language, understand the nuances and many of the implementations. It's now possible to make your way through a university education in CS without ever touching or understanding C. This is a problem.

gragas 10y ago
>It's now possible to make your way through a university education in CS without ever touching or understanding C. This is a problem. I suppose that this is the case. But really, to me this is article does not reveal anything beyond what I already knew from basic pointer arithmetic.
vostok 10y ago
> It's now possible to make your way through a university education in CS without ever touching or understanding C. This is a problem. I did not study CS, but I had a number of CS modules/classes. LaTeX was the only programming language I recall using. Students with better handwriting could probably get away with not doing any programming at all. It's not clear to me that this is a problem, but I imagine that the systems requirement of most CS programs will involve C. For what it's worth, I default to python in interviews even though it's my least favorite out of the languages that I use frequently.
- ageofwant 10y ago
  > I default to python in interviews even though it's my least favorite out of the languages that I use frequently. Why is that ? I would image that you'd use the language you are most comfortable with and trust the most during an interview ? What makes Python a good 'interview' language but a less good bread and butter language for you ?
  - jonathankoren 10y ago
    If he's listing LaTeX as a programming language and talking about how little programming he had, I suspect he's stuck with R or Matlab.
    - spicyj 10y ago
      TeX is a "real" programming language.
      - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
        It's a macro expander. Good luck debugging that.
  - vostok 10y ago
    I find that python requires the least boilerplate code out of the most common programming languages. I mostly dislike it on aesthetic grounds. I really like the modern incarnations of C++ and statically typed ML-influenced, but not necessarily ML-derived, languages. There are many criticisms that one could make about R, but I like some of its lispier features.
- jonathankoren 10y ago
  If you're taking CS classes and boasting about how you don't know how to program, it is a problem.
  - yzmtf2008 10y ago
    In many more theoretical CS classes, programming is not a requirement.
    - jonathankoren 10y ago
      There's a word for that. It's "math".
      - Zalastax 10y ago
        Computer Science and maths are heavily intertwined [1], just like physics and maths are. [1]: http://math.stackexchange.com/q/649408 http://math.stackexchange.com/q/649408
yzmtf2008 10y ago
Just because you grew up with C and know many of the details doesn't make it necessary for others to know that much, especially when the job doesn't call upon it. I grew up with C as well, but I understand it is possible to make meaningful contributions without understanding C.
mjevans 10y ago
I don't think it /has/ to be C. Having done even a semester of any type of assembly (not just part of a class) is probably enough. Other /low level/ languages like Forth (Imagine you /only/ had assembly, and wanted to build something a /little/ less painful) could probably work too.

gragas 10y ago

>It's now possible to make your way through a university education in CS without ever touching or understanding C. This is a problem. I suppose that this is the case. But really, to me this is article does not reveal anything beyond what I already knew from basic pointer arithmetic.

vostok 10y ago

> It's now possible to make your way through a university education in CS without ever touching or understanding C. This is a problem. I did not study CS, but I had a number of CS modules/classes. LaTeX was the only programming language I recall using. Students with better handwriting could probably get away with not doing any programming at all. It's not clear to me that this is a problem, but I imagine that the systems requirement of most CS programs will involve C. For what it's worth, I default to python in interviews even though it's my least favorite out of the languages that I use frequently.

ageofwant 10y ago
> I default to python in interviews even though it's my least favorite out of the languages that I use frequently. Why is that ? I would image that you'd use the language you are most comfortable with and trust the most during an interview ? What makes Python a good 'interview' language but a less good bread and butter language for you ?
- jonathankoren 10y ago
  If he's listing LaTeX as a programming language and talking about how little programming he had, I suspect he's stuck with R or Matlab.
  - spicyj 10y ago
    TeX is a "real" programming language.
    - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
      It's a macro expander. Good luck debugging that.
- vostok 10y ago
  I find that python requires the least boilerplate code out of the most common programming languages. I mostly dislike it on aesthetic grounds. I really like the modern incarnations of C++ and statically typed ML-influenced, but not necessarily ML-derived, languages. There are many criticisms that one could make about R, but I like some of its lispier features.
jonathankoren 10y ago
If you're taking CS classes and boasting about how you don't know how to program, it is a problem.
- yzmtf2008 10y ago
  In many more theoretical CS classes, programming is not a requirement.
  - jonathankoren 10y ago
    There's a word for that. It's "math".
    - Zalastax 10y ago
      Computer Science and maths are heavily intertwined [1], just like physics and maths are. [1]: http://math.stackexchange.com/q/649408 http://math.stackexchange.com/q/649408

yzmtf2008 10y ago

Just because you grew up with C and know many of the details doesn't make it necessary for others to know that much, especially when the job doesn't call upon it. I grew up with C as well, but I understand it is possible to make meaningful contributions without understanding C.

mjevans 10y ago

I don't think it /has/ to be C. Having done even a semester of any type of assembly (not just part of a class) is probably enough. Other /low level/ languages like Forth (Imagine you /only/ had assembly, and wanted to build something a /little/ less painful) could probably work too.