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YMMV. For me the attempts at a serious story fall flat due to the amount of plot holes and asspulls. I've enjoyed suicide squad a lot more - it wasn't trying to

YMMV. For me the attempts at a serious story fall flat due to the amount of plot holes and asspulls. I've enjoyed suicide squad a lot more - it wasn't trying to be taken seriously, so the absurdity didn't clash. Same with the previous star wars - it went for a very simple story, so it was harder to mess up Rogue One is pretty, sure. But the story is a chain of coincidences. No character, except maybe for Vader - who's mostly a cameo, actually tries to act according to its presented motivation, or tries to solve any of their presented problems. Throughout the movie character motivations are at best tertiary to firstly doing whatever is flashiest, or secondarily executing whatever morality cliche the movie is currently on. Basically, every character in rogue one is unbelievably stupid. And then you get to the 'science fiction' setting where battles between capital ships happen at 200m (but the bad guys only start shooting after the obligatory 5 minutes of tactical discussions), shooting at a force field that just destroyed multiple ships that rammed into it is a thing that makes sense, etc. Etc. Rogue One is still as much of a fairy tale as previous star wars moves; but it tries to pretend it's not. And that completely destroys any immersion the viewer might have.

emidln 10y ago
If the premise of the defense shield is that it can dissipate a certain amount of energy by distributing the energy across its whole, why doesn't throwing more explosives makes sense? Presumably the people doing weapons design in this fantasy setting have at least as much sense as we do now. This means a ship colliding holding weapons are unlikely to detonate completely (not armed) and thus not deal a ton of damage. This movie is set in a universe where less than 20 years ago, fully automated machines nearly destroyed those who remain. Both the complexity of a firing solution in space as well as explicit non-automation of some things rather easily suffice as reasons for a delay. This discounts surprise coupletely. I don't know much about magic space lasers, but I'm also willing to suspend disbelief enough to allow they have a limited range of effectiveness. If you wanted to make random technical arguments, I'd have imagined that "pew pew" sounds in space is where you would start.
- Anderkent 10y ago
  The ships impacting and exploding on the gate are effectively oversized kinetic missiles. There's no way the things they're shooting can even compare. I wouldn't mind if they were shooting at the machinery controlling the gate/shield. But what was happening was clearly a case of 'we need to show the fighters trying to do something without actually having them try anything'.
  - tedunangst 10y ago
    Are you sure kinetic missiles is the best use of a starship's mass? If I have a few kg of enriched uranium, I don't turn it into bullets to shoot at the bad guy. Starships seem to have some kind of reactor as well.

emidln 10y ago

If the premise of the defense shield is that it can dissipate a certain amount of energy by distributing the energy across its whole, why doesn't throwing more explosives makes sense? Presumably the people doing weapons design in this fantasy setting have at least as much sense as we do now. This means a ship colliding holding weapons are unlikely to detonate completely (not armed) and thus not deal a ton of damage. This movie is set in a universe where less than 20 years ago, fully automated machines nearly destroyed those who remain. Both the complexity of a firing solution in space as well as explicit non-automation of some things rather easily suffice as reasons for a delay. This discounts surprise coupletely. I don't know much about magic space lasers, but I'm also willing to suspend disbelief enough to allow they have a limited range of effectiveness. If you wanted to make random technical arguments, I'd have imagined that "pew pew" sounds in space is where you would start.

Anderkent 10y ago
The ships impacting and exploding on the gate are effectively oversized kinetic missiles. There's no way the things they're shooting can even compare. I wouldn't mind if they were shooting at the machinery controlling the gate/shield. But what was happening was clearly a case of 'we need to show the fighters trying to do something without actually having them try anything'.
- tedunangst 10y ago
  Are you sure kinetic missiles is the best use of a starship's mass? If I have a few kg of enriched uranium, I don't turn it into bullets to shoot at the bad guy. Starships seem to have some kind of reactor as well.