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I was wondering what end game of the "election hacking" narrative was, seems to be as pedestrian as a kickback to Lockheed et al. At least this most recent "int

I was wondering what end game of the "election hacking" narrative was, seems to be as pedestrian as a kickback to Lockheed et al. At least this most recent "intelligence" from our friends at the CIA will hopefully wont end up with 110 thousand dead like Iraq.

woofyman 10y ago
The Bush administration misrepresented the intelligence provided by the CIA https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-document-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-...
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Seems like it would be pretty simple to hold a press conference to clarify those incorrect assertions. If you follow the logic of that narrative you also have to assume Hillary Clinton[0] and a large segment of the democratic establishment was in on it[1], or worse yet failed to even read the report. Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage
  - woofyman 10y ago
    >Seems like it would be pretty simple to hold a press conference to clarify those incorrect assertions The CIA hold a press conference and disclose top secret information? >Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? Correct it how?
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      >The CIA hold a press conference and disclose top secret information? If the elected officials fail the serve the public then yes, they don't have to actually release any top secret data but only have to say "Bush has this wrong, we didn't make the claims he says we have been making" >Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? Instead of sending emails saying "this is correct"[0], say the opposite. [0]http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/john-brennan-cia-donald-trump-russian-hacking/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/john-brennan-cia-dona...
- lisivka 10y ago
  Examples of CW use by Iraq include the following from the Final Report. (These are selected uses only. Numerous other smaller scale CW attacks occurred.) Use in the Iran–Iraq War, 1983–1988 August 1983: Haij Umran – Mustard, fewer than 100 Iranian/Kurdish casualties October–November 1983: Panjwin – Mustard, 3,000 Iranian/Kurdish casualties February–March 1984: Majnoon Island – Mustard, 2,500 Iranian casualties March 1984: al-Basrah – Tabun, 50–100 Iranian casualties March 1985: Hawizah Marsh – Mustard and Tabun, 3,000 Iranian casualties February 1986: al-Faw – Mustard and Tabun, 8,000 to 10,000 Iranian casualties December 1986: Um ar-Rasas – Mustard, 1,000s Iranian casualties April 1987: al-Basrah – Mustard and Tabun, 5,000 Iranian casualties October 1987: Sumar/Mehran – Mustard and nerve agent, 3,000 Iranian casualties March 1988: Halabjah and Kurdish area – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Kurdish/Iranian casualties April 1988: al-Faw – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Iranian casualties May 1988: Fish Lake – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties June 1988: Majnoon Island – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties July 1988: South-central border – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties Use at Halabja, 1988 Main articles: Halabja poison gas attack and Sardasht, West Azerbaijan On March 16, 1988, the Halabja massacre occurred. The Iraqi army hit residential areas with sarin gas and the roads leading out of the city with mustard gas the day after. Most of the victims died within minutes after the bombing and those who survived and tried to leave the city the following day were injured when they passed contaminated roads. Civilians in residential areas in western Iran such as Noodsheh, Ghaleji, and Marivan were bombarded with nerve gas as well. The efforts of local health care centers played a significant role in decreasing the number of mortalities. Use in Southern Iraq against the Popular Uprising, 1991 March 1991: an-Najaf - Karbala area — Nerve agent & CS, Shi’a casualties not known.
  - sethrin 10y ago
    What exactly does a list of attacks that happened 10-20 years before the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 have to do with anything?
    - lisivka 10y ago
      I had small conversation with man from Iraq. AFAIK, they blame West for supplying Iraq (and others) with chemical fabrics and reagents. I.e. they blame West for CW they gave to Iraq, which then used as excuse to attack Iraq. It's common to East countries to see Europe and North America countries as single government. In fact, double-use fabrics were made by Germany, while USA is tried to stop that. Out of USA and Russia, nobody believes in CIA error, because CW is used frequently in the region and CW fabrics were at ready. These facts are hard to deny.

woofyman 10y ago

The Bush administration misrepresented the intelligence provided by the CIA https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-document-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-...

cmdrfred 10y ago
Seems like it would be pretty simple to hold a press conference to clarify those incorrect assertions. If you follow the logic of that narrative you also have to assume Hillary Clinton[0] and a large segment of the democratic establishment was in on it[1], or worse yet failed to even read the report. Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage
- woofyman 10y ago
  >Seems like it would be pretty simple to hold a press conference to clarify those incorrect assertions The CIA hold a press conference and disclose top secret information? >Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? Correct it how?
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    >The CIA hold a press conference and disclose top secret information? If the elected officials fail the serve the public then yes, they don't have to actually release any top secret data but only have to say "Bush has this wrong, we didn't make the claims he says we have been making" >Then you have to ask if the executive branch has misinterpreted intelligence before and the CIA is unwilling to correct them why would you think this new intelligence has any validity? Instead of sending emails saying "this is correct"[0], say the opposite. [0]http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/john-brennan-cia-donald-trump-russian-hacking/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/john-brennan-cia-dona...
lisivka 10y ago
Examples of CW use by Iraq include the following from the Final Report. (These are selected uses only. Numerous other smaller scale CW attacks occurred.) Use in the Iran–Iraq War, 1983–1988 August 1983: Haij Umran – Mustard, fewer than 100 Iranian/Kurdish casualties October–November 1983: Panjwin – Mustard, 3,000 Iranian/Kurdish casualties February–March 1984: Majnoon Island – Mustard, 2,500 Iranian casualties March 1984: al-Basrah – Tabun, 50–100 Iranian casualties March 1985: Hawizah Marsh – Mustard and Tabun, 3,000 Iranian casualties February 1986: al-Faw – Mustard and Tabun, 8,000 to 10,000 Iranian casualties December 1986: Um ar-Rasas – Mustard, 1,000s Iranian casualties April 1987: al-Basrah – Mustard and Tabun, 5,000 Iranian casualties October 1987: Sumar/Mehran – Mustard and nerve agent, 3,000 Iranian casualties March 1988: Halabjah and Kurdish area – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Kurdish/Iranian casualties April 1988: al-Faw – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Iranian casualties May 1988: Fish Lake – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties June 1988: Majnoon Island – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties July 1988: South-central border – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties Use at Halabja, 1988 Main articles: Halabja poison gas attack and Sardasht, West Azerbaijan On March 16, 1988, the Halabja massacre occurred. The Iraqi army hit residential areas with sarin gas and the roads leading out of the city with mustard gas the day after. Most of the victims died within minutes after the bombing and those who survived and tried to leave the city the following day were injured when they passed contaminated roads. Civilians in residential areas in western Iran such as Noodsheh, Ghaleji, and Marivan were bombarded with nerve gas as well. The efforts of local health care centers played a significant role in decreasing the number of mortalities. Use in Southern Iraq against the Popular Uprising, 1991 March 1991: an-Najaf - Karbala area — Nerve agent & CS, Shi’a casualties not known.
- sethrin 10y ago
  What exactly does a list of attacks that happened 10-20 years before the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 have to do with anything?
  - lisivka 10y ago
    I had small conversation with man from Iraq. AFAIK, they blame West for supplying Iraq (and others) with chemical fabrics and reagents. I.e. they blame West for CW they gave to Iraq, which then used as excuse to attack Iraq. It's common to East countries to see Europe and North America countries as single government. In fact, double-use fabrics were made by Germany, while USA is tried to stop that. Out of USA and Russia, nobody believes in CIA error, because CW is used frequently in the region and CW fabrics were at ready. These facts are hard to deny.