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I'm confused, is this click-bate? Because just this past Friday, December 16, 2016 during President Obama's speech he mentioned there is no evidence that the e

I'm confused, is this click-bate? Because just this past Friday, December 16, 2016 during President Obama's speech he mentioned there is no evidence that the election itself was hacked. The DNC (Democratic National Committee. Hillary Clinton's party) was hacked and had emails stolen, the election (voting machines etc...) was not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBvK-Rb681I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBvK-Rb681I at 48:30 President Obama says "I can assure the public that there was not the kind of tampering with the voting process that was a concern. The votes that were cast were counted and they were counted appropriately, we have not seen evidence of machines being tampered with. That assurance I can provide. " A lot of news outlets from ABC to BBC news show "Russians hack election" in their article's titles to get more clicks, then further down into their articles state the DNC was hacked. "DNC emails stolen" does NOT equal "USA presidential election hacked". Revealing damaging information on a candidate is interfering with an election but not "hacking the election", which makes it sound like the russians cast fraudulent votes using hacked machines. Plus the recount in Detroit revealed this: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/ http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/re... Plus, didn't democratic candidate Hillary Clinton win the popular vote anyway?

angry-hacker 10y ago
There has never shown any evidence about the state of Russia being involved in these hacks. Diplomats would choose their words wisely but media writers whatever their readers want. . It's fake news to one side, and truth serum to another. Repeat other way around...
- kurthr 10y ago
  You may not like or accept the evidence, but there has been plenty over the last 6 months. If you demand more, then you will likely never get it from a spearphishing email dump so asking for it is pointless. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ... http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-behind-claims-russia-hacked-for-trump/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-... Do you demand the same level of proof that the emails are genuine?
  - 3131s 10y ago
    Most all of the DNC / Podesta emails are DKIM verified. That is a level of proof far beyond the word of a single security company with close ties to the FBI and the US government. I scanned through those two links you posted and I've read other interviews with Alperovitch, and I still have not seen proof that Russia was involved. Appeal to authority is not proof. With a password like "p@ssw0rd" it's not hard to imagine that many, many state-level actors and others had access to those emails.

angry-hacker 10y ago

There has never shown any evidence about the state of Russia being involved in these hacks. Diplomats would choose their words wisely but media writers whatever their readers want. . It's fake news to one side, and truth serum to another. Repeat other way around...

kurthr 10y ago
You may not like or accept the evidence, but there has been plenty over the last 6 months. If you demand more, then you will likely never get it from a spearphishing email dump so asking for it is pointless. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ... http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-behind-claims-russia-hacked-for-trump/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-... Do you demand the same level of proof that the emails are genuine?
- 3131s 10y ago
  Most all of the DNC / Podesta emails are DKIM verified. That is a level of proof far beyond the word of a single security company with close ties to the FBI and the US government. I scanned through those two links you posted and I've read other interviews with Alperovitch, and I still have not seen proof that Russia was involved. Appeal to authority is not proof. With a password like "p@ssw0rd" it's not hard to imagine that many, many state-level actors and others had access to those emails.