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"I simply hate the new butterfly Apple keyboard. I don’t like the shallow key travel and it’s super noisy." Yup. I started skeptical -- I'm still using a 2012

"I simply hate the new butterfly Apple keyboard. I don’t like the shallow key travel and it’s super noisy." Yup. I started skeptical -- I'm still using a 2012 pre-retina MBP because I can swap out the RAM/drive myself and it appears to be the last option without a damn glossy screen. But I have to try the new hardware, because old hardware doesn't last forever. The noise and travel from the keyboard is atrocious. Guess if we're all using the touchbar and the giant trackpad it doesn't matter?

derefr 10y ago
I find it funny: nobody complained about the new keyboard design when it was being used in the 2015 MacBook or in the new Magic Keyboard accessory. But now that the same keyboard is a part in a product with a halo of negativity around it, people are much more willing to hate on it.
- megablast 10y ago
  Yes, people did. Lots of people didn't like that Macbook keyboard, and this new one is supposed to be better and improved.
- SomeHacker44 10y ago
  I am a computer professional. I never even considered using the low end MacBook. I imagine all other professionals also disregarded it. So, I don't think this is a reasonable argument. Now that the second generation is being used on a computer for professionals, professionals will start noticing the flaws and voicing their complaints.
  - gumby 10y ago
    > I am a computer professional. I never even considered using the low end MacBook. I imagine all other professionals also disregarded it. I am a computer professional. I was delighted to get the 2016 MacBook. I imagine plenty, though not all, other professionals also use it -- in fact I see them doing so. I'm also not pompous or insecure enough to feel that there is some sort of magic dividing line between "real" computing folks and mere "consumers". I must admit I build only small programs with Xcode, doing most of my development in Emacs, doing some compiles locally and much heavy lifting remotely. I have one large simulator that can only run for a few thousand steps locally, but I can happily run it on AWS. On the other hand it's super-portable, perfectly powerful for the C, C++, Lisp, Java and Rust development I need it for; it runs web browsers, various clients etc perfectly well. Perhaps if you have to do a lot of image or video editing it wouldn't be enough. It's hard to say, since I used to do editing on a shared 2.5 MIPS mainframe; on the other hand you wouldn't make a modern movie on a MacBook Pro. But you probably write such a program on a machine far less powerful than the users need.
- srssays 10y ago
  You have that kind of backwards. People are complaining this time because everybody has tried the 2015 MacBook and everybody knows exactly how bad those butterfly keyboards are. When the 2015 MacBook came out, nobody knew what a butterfly keyboard was. Nobody had ever tried, felt, or melded with that keyboard. But journalists who got to try it did start hating on it right after the event finished. Also, the MacBook was an addition to the existing Air + Pro product lines so you could just happily ignore its existence if you didn't like it.
- hdra 10y ago
  Actually, plenty of people complained about the 2015 MacBook. They are just willing to put up with it more since they understand that the machine prioritises portability above all else.

derefr 10y ago

I find it funny: nobody complained about the new keyboard design when it was being used in the 2015 MacBook or in the new Magic Keyboard accessory. But now that the same keyboard is a part in a product with a halo of negativity around it, people are much more willing to hate on it.

megablast 10y ago
Yes, people did. Lots of people didn't like that Macbook keyboard, and this new one is supposed to be better and improved.
SomeHacker44 10y ago
I am a computer professional. I never even considered using the low end MacBook. I imagine all other professionals also disregarded it. So, I don't think this is a reasonable argument. Now that the second generation is being used on a computer for professionals, professionals will start noticing the flaws and voicing their complaints.
- gumby 10y ago
  > I am a computer professional. I never even considered using the low end MacBook. I imagine all other professionals also disregarded it. I am a computer professional. I was delighted to get the 2016 MacBook. I imagine plenty, though not all, other professionals also use it -- in fact I see them doing so. I'm also not pompous or insecure enough to feel that there is some sort of magic dividing line between "real" computing folks and mere "consumers". I must admit I build only small programs with Xcode, doing most of my development in Emacs, doing some compiles locally and much heavy lifting remotely. I have one large simulator that can only run for a few thousand steps locally, but I can happily run it on AWS. On the other hand it's super-portable, perfectly powerful for the C, C++, Lisp, Java and Rust development I need it for; it runs web browsers, various clients etc perfectly well. Perhaps if you have to do a lot of image or video editing it wouldn't be enough. It's hard to say, since I used to do editing on a shared 2.5 MIPS mainframe; on the other hand you wouldn't make a modern movie on a MacBook Pro. But you probably write such a program on a machine far less powerful than the users need.
srssays 10y ago
You have that kind of backwards. People are complaining this time because everybody has tried the 2015 MacBook and everybody knows exactly how bad those butterfly keyboards are. When the 2015 MacBook came out, nobody knew what a butterfly keyboard was. Nobody had ever tried, felt, or melded with that keyboard. But journalists who got to try it did start hating on it right after the event finished. Also, the MacBook was an addition to the existing Air + Pro product lines so you could just happily ignore its existence if you didn't like it.
hdra 10y ago
Actually, plenty of people complained about the 2015 MacBook. They are just willing to put up with it more since they understand that the machine prioritises portability above all else.