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> Guns don't kill people, people inspired by bad ideologies do. I suppose that's down to one's own interpretation. Some food for thought: the !Kung tribe in Bo

> Guns don't kill people, people inspired by bad ideologies do. I suppose that's down to one's own interpretation. Some food for thought: the !Kung tribe in Botswana credit the kill of an animal, not to the hunter, but to the arrow maker.

devoply 10y ago
If that was your understanding of the world you might spend all of your time crafting your arrow to be just right. Rather than practicing to make sure that as a hunter you can make the arrow hit the proper target. And then blame your inability on your lack of finding the right sort of stone to make the arrow or something as such. Your definition and understanding of the problem determines the potential for solutions in finding solutions to the problem. Similarly there are places in the United States where everyone is armed, and yet very little violence happens. Maybe if everyone had all the nuclear weapons they could want, no wars could ever happen again which would be a good thing.
- AbrahamParangi 10y ago
  What places were you thinking of? I was trying to find out what the actual statistics were and my cursory search led me to this paper http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Firearm-Ownership-and-Violent-Crime.pdf http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Firearm-... Highlight: These analyses do not support the hypothesis that firearm ownership deters violent firearm crime. Instead, this study shows that higher levels of firearm ownership are associated with higher rates of firearm-related violent crime. I looked up the journal and it seems to be reputable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Preventive_Medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Preventive...), but I don't read medical studies often so I can't really tell.
  - devoply 10y ago
    I was thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia where you are required to own and carry a gun, i.e. mandatory gun-possession ordinance In 2001, violent crime rates were about 60% below national and state rates. Property crime rates were from 46-56% below national and state rates. From 1999 to 2011, Kennesaw crime statistics reported that both property and violent crimes had decreased, though from 2003 to 2008 the trend in both violent and property crime rates slightly increased.[21] The increase in crime rate overall is attributed to the population growth rate of 37.41%. The population growth rate is much higher than the state average rate of 18.34% and is much higher than the national average rate of 9.71%.[22]
    - justin66 10y ago
      That ordnance is purely right-wing propaganda, it's not some kind of real requirement (which would obviously be unconstitutional). "Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony." In other words, do it unless you don't want to.
- canadian_voter 10y ago
  > Maybe if everyone had all the nuclear weapons they could want, no wars could ever happen again which would be a good thing. Please see The Weapon by Frederic Brown. [0] [0] https://writenowisgood.wordpress.com/the-weapon-questions/ https://writenowisgood.wordpress.com/the-weapon-questions/
- rhizome 10y ago
  Similarly there are places in the United States where everyone is armed, and yet very little violence happens. I think you're referring to "every other industrialized country," except without the guns.
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devoply 10y ago

If that was your understanding of the world you might spend all of your time crafting your arrow to be just right. Rather than practicing to make sure that as a hunter you can make the arrow hit the proper target. And then blame your inability on your lack of finding the right sort of stone to make the arrow or something as such. Your definition and understanding of the problem determines the potential for solutions in finding solutions to the problem. Similarly there are places in the United States where everyone is armed, and yet very little violence happens. Maybe if everyone had all the nuclear weapons they could want, no wars could ever happen again which would be a good thing.

AbrahamParangi 10y ago
What places were you thinking of? I was trying to find out what the actual statistics were and my cursory search led me to this paper http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Firearm-Ownership-and-Violent-Crime.pdf http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Firearm-... Highlight: These analyses do not support the hypothesis that firearm ownership deters violent firearm crime. Instead, this study shows that higher levels of firearm ownership are associated with higher rates of firearm-related violent crime. I looked up the journal and it seems to be reputable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Preventive_Medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Preventive...), but I don't read medical studies often so I can't really tell.
- devoply 10y ago
  I was thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia where you are required to own and carry a gun, i.e. mandatory gun-possession ordinance In 2001, violent crime rates were about 60% below national and state rates. Property crime rates were from 46-56% below national and state rates. From 1999 to 2011, Kennesaw crime statistics reported that both property and violent crimes had decreased, though from 2003 to 2008 the trend in both violent and property crime rates slightly increased.[21] The increase in crime rate overall is attributed to the population growth rate of 37.41%. The population growth rate is much higher than the state average rate of 18.34% and is much higher than the national average rate of 9.71%.[22]
  - justin66 10y ago
    That ordnance is purely right-wing propaganda, it's not some kind of real requirement (which would obviously be unconstitutional). "Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony." In other words, do it unless you don't want to.
canadian_voter 10y ago
> Maybe if everyone had all the nuclear weapons they could want, no wars could ever happen again which would be a good thing. Please see The Weapon by Frederic Brown. [0] [0] https://writenowisgood.wordpress.com/the-weapon-questions/ https://writenowisgood.wordpress.com/the-weapon-questions/
rhizome 10y ago
Similarly there are places in the United States where everyone is armed, and yet very little violence happens. I think you're referring to "every other industrialized country," except without the guns.

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