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This also seems to be a direct result of GitHub's move to limiting GitHub Pages [1] Good work, and keep it up GitLab Team! Lovely product, and well designed.

by mc42 10y ago

This also seems to be a direct result of GitHub's move to limiting GitHub Pages [1] Good work, and keep it up GitLab Team! Lovely product, and well designed. [1] - https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-github-pages/#usage-limits https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-github-pages/#usage...

sytse 10y ago
Thanks for your kind words! EDIT: Job has commented in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250453 The announcement from GitHub might have triggered us. GitHub Pages was limited about 3 days go https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13227863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13227863 Job asked for votes 3 days ago https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605#note_20312668 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605#note_20... Looking at our internal chat logs it seems that the announcement got us thinking about pages again. But the decision to open source it was based on what kind of people used it (more small organizations than we thought, fewer large organizations than we thought). I've asked Job to comment too. BTW We're not sure if we'll limit GitLab.com Pages at some point, see "GitLab Pages with very high traffic (currently unlimited even in the free plan)" from https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/#free-forever https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/#free-forever Of course you now always have the option to host your own.
- impappl 10y ago
  The link you yourself share features many comments, including by GitHub themselves, that this wasn't a new limit. They publicised the change earlier in the year. As the product manager pointed out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 and as a Quora answer from June also reveals https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-for-GitHub-pages/answer/Rachel-Berry-9 https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-... the GitHub pages limits were public since at least June.
  - sytse 10y ago
    Yep, but we only noticed it on Dec 21.
    - impappl 10y ago
      Great, but that's very different to your original statement of "GitHub Pages was limited about 3 days go".
      - sytse 10y ago
        True, that was wrong, it should have said we learned of it 3 days ago.
- drewcrawford 10y ago
  Hi sytes. Thanks so much for this. I was active on the thread trying to get it added to CE, and it makes a big difference. One thing GL is still missing in its licensing model is a good story for my usecase. I run a GL install that's open to the public so users can report bugs in my software, but there are only 2 real "internal" users. I picked up 50 "users" last month, who just made an issue or two and drove away. The current model forces me to choose either CE (no paid features for anyone) or EE ($1950/mo). That is what drives some of the disconnect on features like Pages, I'm not going to pay five figures a year for no matter what's in EE. But if I could pay $300 a year, and get either some paid features, or paid features for some users, that would be pretty easy. Then there is something to do in this situation besides complain that everything isn't free, and creates more opportunities to get invested into GitLab. As long as there's a $25,000 gap between price tiers you will have these cases where people are flamewarring about whether some feature makes it into CE.
  - jobvandervoort 10y ago
    Just to clarify, our pricing [0] is per year. So the cost for 50 users is $1950 a year, $162,50 a month for Enterprise Edition starter. We have been thinking about a model that would allow us a more smooth ramp from CE to EE, hence the change to EE starter and Premium. However, this doesn't mean certain attractive features might still land in paid tiers. I'd love to get more feedback on this. [0]: https://about.gitlab.com/products/ https://about.gitlab.com/products/
    - drewcrawford 10y ago
      Right, but your licensing is per user per year. I add 50 NEW users in a month. Each of them use the product for about 20 minutes, but I believe I would need to license them for an entire year.
      - sytse 10y ago
        If you disable the accounts of users they no longer count towards your license. So you could consider deactivating accounts that have been inactive for more than a month. Anyway, feel free to get in touch with sales@ our domain to discuss the options.
- chiefalchemist 10y ago
  Ironic tho, isn't it? Github limits are for big high traffic pages, and you open the door for smaller projects/orgs. Obviously a good thing. Just odd the the GH decision aimed at a different segment of the market provoked this. In any case, kudos.
jobvandervoort 10y ago
The timing is coincidental, at least from my side. We keep track of all mentions of GitLab on sources such as HN, but also Google+. There I was pointed to this comment [0]. This triggered me to look into the existing issue again [1] and reevaluate. The data showed that there was no good reason for us to keep GitLab Pages in EE, so it made sense to move it to CE! [0]: https://plus.google.com/u/1/115261498097261634859/posts/EWhAJjnmYyX?sfc=false https://plus.google.com/u/1/115261498097261634859/posts/EWhA... [1]: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605
- sytse 10y ago
  Cool! So the timing was a coincidence. Also see our internal chat log with timestamps https://gitlab.com/snippets/34152 https://gitlab.com/snippets/34152
  - mcintyre1994 10y ago
    This is pretty awesome transparency, and it's cool to see how you came to changing your mind instead of "post the same answer phrased differently" :)
impappl 10y ago
The GitHub limitation wasn't new: As the product manager for GitHub Pages pointed out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 and as a Quora answer from June also reveals https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-for-GitHub-pages/answer/Rachel-Berry-9 https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-... It will be interesting if GitLab is making product decisions as a result of HM generating fake news, though ;)
- sytse 10y ago
  As said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250414 the decision to open source it was based on what kind of people used it (more small organizations than we thought, fewer large organizations than we thought). We don't do HNDD (Hacker News Driven Development) but I must admit that I was looking forward to the reception of Auto Deploy in HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13239604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13239604

by mc42 10y ago

sytse 10y ago

Thanks for your kind words! EDIT: Job has commented in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250453 The announcement from GitHub might have triggered us. GitHub Pages was limited about 3 days go https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13227863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13227863 Job asked for votes 3 days ago https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605#note_20312668 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605#note_20... Looking at our internal chat logs it seems that the announcement got us thinking about pages again. But the decision to open source it was based on what kind of people used it (more small organizations than we thought, fewer large organizations than we thought). I've asked Job to comment too. BTW We're not sure if we'll limit GitLab.com Pages at some point, see "GitLab Pages with very high traffic (currently unlimited even in the free plan)" from https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/#free-forever https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/#free-forever Of course you now always have the option to host your own.

impappl 10y ago
The link you yourself share features many comments, including by GitHub themselves, that this wasn't a new limit. They publicised the change earlier in the year. As the product manager pointed out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 and as a Quora answer from June also reveals https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-for-GitHub-pages/answer/Rachel-Berry-9 https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-... the GitHub pages limits were public since at least June.
- sytse 10y ago
  Yep, but we only noticed it on Dec 21.
  - impappl 10y ago
    Great, but that's very different to your original statement of "GitHub Pages was limited about 3 days go".
    - sytse 10y ago
      True, that was wrong, it should have said we learned of it 3 days ago.
drewcrawford 10y ago
Hi sytes. Thanks so much for this. I was active on the thread trying to get it added to CE, and it makes a big difference. One thing GL is still missing in its licensing model is a good story for my usecase. I run a GL install that's open to the public so users can report bugs in my software, but there are only 2 real "internal" users. I picked up 50 "users" last month, who just made an issue or two and drove away. The current model forces me to choose either CE (no paid features for anyone) or EE ($1950/mo). That is what drives some of the disconnect on features like Pages, I'm not going to pay five figures a year for no matter what's in EE. But if I could pay $300 a year, and get either some paid features, or paid features for some users, that would be pretty easy. Then there is something to do in this situation besides complain that everything isn't free, and creates more opportunities to get invested into GitLab. As long as there's a $25,000 gap between price tiers you will have these cases where people are flamewarring about whether some feature makes it into CE.
- jobvandervoort 10y ago
  Just to clarify, our pricing [0] is per year. So the cost for 50 users is $1950 a year, $162,50 a month for Enterprise Edition starter. We have been thinking about a model that would allow us a more smooth ramp from CE to EE, hence the change to EE starter and Premium. However, this doesn't mean certain attractive features might still land in paid tiers. I'd love to get more feedback on this. [0]: https://about.gitlab.com/products/ https://about.gitlab.com/products/
  - drewcrawford 10y ago
    Right, but your licensing is per user per year. I add 50 NEW users in a month. Each of them use the product for about 20 minutes, but I believe I would need to license them for an entire year.
    - sytse 10y ago
      If you disable the accounts of users they no longer count towards your license. So you could consider deactivating accounts that have been inactive for more than a month. Anyway, feel free to get in touch with sales@ our domain to discuss the options.
chiefalchemist 10y ago
Ironic tho, isn't it? Github limits are for big high traffic pages, and you open the door for smaller projects/orgs. Obviously a good thing. Just odd the the GH decision aimed at a different segment of the market provoked this. In any case, kudos.

jobvandervoort 10y ago

The timing is coincidental, at least from my side. We keep track of all mentions of GitLab on sources such as HN, but also Google+. There I was pointed to this comment [0]. This triggered me to look into the existing issue again [1] and reevaluate. The data showed that there was no good reason for us to keep GitLab Pages in EE, so it made sense to move it to CE! [0]: https://plus.google.com/u/1/115261498097261634859/posts/EWhAJjnmYyX?sfc=false https://plus.google.com/u/1/115261498097261634859/posts/EWhA... [1]: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/14605

sytse 10y ago
Cool! So the timing was a coincidence. Also see our internal chat log with timestamps https://gitlab.com/snippets/34152 https://gitlab.com/snippets/34152
- mcintyre1994 10y ago
  This is pretty awesome transparency, and it's cool to see how you came to changing your mind instead of "post the same answer phrased differently" :)

impappl 10y ago

The GitHub limitation wasn't new: As the product manager for GitHub Pages pointed out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13229461 and as a Quora answer from June also reveals https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-for-GitHub-pages/answer/Rachel-Berry-9 https://www.quora.com/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-... It will be interesting if GitLab is making product decisions as a result of HM generating fake news, though ;)

sytse 10y ago
As said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250414 the decision to open source it was based on what kind of people used it (more small organizations than we thought, fewer large organizations than we thought). We don't do HNDD (Hacker News Driven Development) but I must admit that I was looking forward to the reception of Auto Deploy in HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13239604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13239604